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Is it time that we stop debating the UFO subject and admit SOMETHING is going on?

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posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 11:05 AM
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Now despite any personal views and experiences I may have, I am a journalist and realist, someone who is not easily convinced of the existence of strange phenomena until either I see it myself or the weight of evidence is too big to deny.

For almost three years I have been presenting the online radio show Now THAT'S Weird which has it's official forum here on ATS, and now it's been commissioned as a Saturday night TV show in England after the owner of the channel became a fan of the radio show!

I have spoken to many guests over that period, questioned them about their experiences and made my own mind up on whether or not I believe them, or whether I felt they were exaggerating the truth or just lying.

The fact is this....

With regard to UFO's/aliens - TOO MANY PEOPLE have seen the same things, had the same experiences and given the same exact details for this to be anything other than something we should all take seriously. People from different continents and backgrounds, people who were totally sceptical of the phenomena beforehand, people like pilots, radar controllers, military and government officials as well as Joe Public.

I feel it is time for us all to admit that the phenomena DOES exist and that the government probably DO know about it. Now that's not to say it's little green men from the planet Zarg- but possibly our first glimpse into the parallel universes around us.

So where do we go from here?

Ross




posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 11:11 AM
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We could get the UN to fund a Project Blue Book type of program, with actual scientists and specialists to look into reports and the phenomena. It should be taken seriously, and all the evidence should be collected and analyzed. The group should get the governments of the worlds to release the information and (possible) evidences they may have (not going to happen).
This is the only way to solve this mystery once and for all.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 11:11 AM
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phenomena DOES exist, as in "people are saying they have seen them"

but thats an entirely different question from have the aliens ever visited this planet and if so, did anyone who saw them come forward

people get sleep paralysis and think that they have been visited by an alien or some strange being is in the room with them.

I dont deny that there are aliens..I cant know for sure (yea give me your lame comments "waste of space if its just us bla bla bla"), but aliens existed and the people who have seen them having Actually seen them is completely different.


but maybe im an alien or reptilian who is trying to throw in disnfo for all of you.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 11:24 AM
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I think it would be way to close minded for us to think we are on the only planet in the universe that is able to sustain life.. Thats just bad science lol. I think if we would just come to the reality that we are not alone and become more open to the idea that we would learn a great deal. The advancements in technology, science, and probably even history would be out of this world.. Literally lol. Great post!



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 11:31 AM
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I agree with the op. I myself have seen one of these white/silver spheres with my own eyes during the day. That lead me to find anything I could about them and I have discovered that a lot of people are seeing them and photographing them. They are there. They are not plastic bags, balloons, birds, etc. Some people see them at night when they look like bright stars, and other have seen them during the day when they look like white/silver spheres. Sometimes they show up on a photo but not seen with the naked eye. They are there, but no one seems to want to address them. Something is going on.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 11:33 AM
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There is a big difference from people claiming abduction experiences to those who have had UFO experiences who are not usually in bed (having sleep paralysis at the time).

I have studied sleep paralysis of part of my many years of paranormal research and to be honest it only explains a very small amount of cases.

As people who were at my lecture in Laughlin earlier this year will know from evidence I showed on stage, my own experiences left me with no doubt we are dealing with inter-dimensional craft/beings. However my own experiences will not necessarily convince others who are sceptical, they need to experience this themselves. I did however have a guy come up to me afterwards claiming to be studying this at the University of Arizona who said he felt my evidence was extremely convincing and that his studies were echoing my own research.

Prof JJ Hurtak of the Academy of Future Sciences, also stated that he was 100% behind my research and that he agreed with my findings.

I agree that it would be good to get the UN and scientists on board, but as the UN seems pretty much controlled by the US government I guess it's probably unlikely to happen

The plot thickens!

Ross



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 11:52 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


I very much agree with your premise. The "if" was answered to my satisfaction a long time ago. The question for me at this point is the "what".

I have no idea beyond speculation what's going on. I'm convinced something is. I don't know that anyone anywhere knows THE answer. I'm torn between TPTB knowing what's going on and hiding it, or knowing something's going on and refusing to officially acknowledge it because they can't explain it, either.

At this point, I'm inclined to believe the second option.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


[Edit to fix tags]



[edit on 8/22/2008 by yeahright]



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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I think a major problem is there are too many "kooks" out there with wild stories, theories and hoaxes. The scientific community will not take it serious because of the fringe element. The recent Bigfoot debacle in Georgia set the serious Bigfoot researchers back to the stone age.
I do not want to name any names, as they have many believers and followers out there. The UFO research community has to take a look at the strongest cases out there, and dismiss or put aside the cases with too many questions. The evidence needs to be examined and not discounted.
YouTube is a smorgasbord of hoaxes and all kinds of nocturnal lights videos. Almost everyone of them has been debunked or made highly questionable.

I do think the extraterrestrial hypothesis is a strong candidate, as more is being learned about faster than light possibilities. Inter dimensional should look at the research being done on string theory and the possible existence of ten dimensions.

This post may make some angry and I do not mean to attack or question any other theories out there. The idea is to start with the ones that are being done now, and check into all the others as more information comes to light.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:04 PM
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Yes I agree you are probably right, although one other option is that they actually perceive a real threat and do not want to cause panic on a worldwide scale.

If for instance Timothy Good and Pete Hellyar are RIGHT and that military aircraft have been lost in encounters with these objects, then we are running with blinkers if we all just sit back and believe they are here to help the world!

Ross



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:11 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I think most likely what they are trying to prevent is the panic that would ensue by admitting something is going on that they can't explain or control. Which fits in with my Option B. For a good number of years, I was convinced it was all supersecret terrestrial technology and the Alien UFO scenario provided a convenient cover. I'm no longer so sure, but it depends upon the day. I go back and forth.

Could all be psyops cover, but for this long? That seems doubtful and more so with every passing year.

Don't mind me. If anything, I'm at least as confused and unsure as anyone else. Much to my dismay, ATS Moderator status does not come with any inside info about UFOs. Bummer.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:14 PM
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I believe the same worn out arguments for and against the existence of ET "life" will continue ad nauseum until something BIG happens. The MSM has shown recently, a willingness to air UFO current events, as they are happening, or very soon after (ie. Stephenville), and I feel that if an event occured on a scale that was breathtaking (ie...a daytime, closeup, lingering, huge, hovering craft as the MSM cameras rolled, over a large metropolitan area and the Networks broke into regular coverage to air it)...then I think a very interesting dialogue and subsequent public outcry for full disclosure would ensue. Until something of that scale occurs, we are stuck in this rut.

I always thought it would be great...if something like this happened during a live, nationally televised event such as a sporting contest. During The Super Bowl...The World Cup...or on any given weekend, a network is televising a golf tournament. Imagine The Masters having a play suspension because a thousand foot wide craft was hovering over the 18th fairway. I have a feeling all the other media outlets would want to cover an event like that as well. It would spread worldwide in a very short time, within minutes.

We can only hope.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:14 PM
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Well if we're going to just focus on what we believe to be real, or at best unexplainable, how about starting with the most recent sightings and moving back. A very recent sighting which made national news for quite a while was the 10 light triangle formation in the skies above Phoenix a few years ago... nobody can completly debunk it yet.

Or maybe we need to start with the stuff that's the hardest to debunk, those Marfa lights in Texas are pretty unexplainable, so are the silver balls seen in the daytime sky above Mexico City. There's 3 examples of things (well documented and widely observed) that could restimulate an interest in studies of UFO's and alien encounters.

We might look at the weird crafts video taped by people on the International Space Station, video NASA has yet to say anything about. There's a lot of credible stuff out there, and just because some drunken idiots want to throw a pie plate around and call it a UFO, doesn't mean that they're discrediting the science of debunking UFO sightings. I personally have seen several of these obviously faked videos and have used them to explain why certain other pics and videos are (for now) authentic. Maybe this is what some of you need to do if you seriously think that these drunken yahoos are discrediting our work so much.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:15 PM
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We all know the governments can keep a secret, and quite well. It was not until the Soviet Union dissolved that a lot of information on many secrets came out.
The government disclosed the NRO existed in the 1990s. It has had many thousands of workers come and go since it came into being, and everyone was surprised on that one.
With all the secrecy, it is hard to know what, if anything, the government knows or claims to know.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:24 PM
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Yes this is very true and the NASA STS 075 video of the "orb-like lights" around the space shuttle/station is intriguing to say the very least.

In another thread recently, someone claimed that a taxi driver collected an "important official" from the United Nations building who when asked what was going to happen in 2012 allegedly said "you do not want to know".

In Norway, an alleged government official leaked a story saying millions of the governments money was being pumped into building underground bunkers that "must be ready by December 2011".

Now I'm not for one minute saying any of that is true, it may be but it's just third party hearsay at this stage - but this does all seem to fit into a pattern doesn't it?

Ross



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:41 PM
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To make claims like "building underground facilities for 2012", it is good to have the questions who, what, where, why, and when. It is nothing more than rumor than stated fact. As a journalist and researcher, do you not want to know who the cab driver was? And who was the official?
There is a thread on right now about what the astronauts claimed to say when they were on the moon. It is riddled with mistakes, and when trying to track down where, when and who actually heard it leads to an anonymous professor. Colonel Gordon Cooper officially debunked it in his book, and he has had a few UFO encounters himself. He was not a disinformation agent, but wanted to know himself. Everyone is excited about Dr Mitchell, but he has never witnessed anything, only hearsay.

That would be another thing, hearsay would not be entered as evidence. Either have witnesses or recordings of witnesses. A person who states their deceased parent or friend told them something is unverifiable.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:02 PM
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I totally agree with you and as I pointed out in the post, these things are merely third party hearsay at this stage - but the point I was making was that these things do tend to tie in with other things allegedly going on, such as the lead up to "something" possibly happening in 2012.

Again I would stress "caution" in even believing that ANYTHING is going to happen in 2012, just that a lot of things are now pointing to that date including NASA predicting the largest ever solar storm in December 2012.

Ross



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:21 PM
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Debate on the UFO subject needs to continue fully. Why? Because no compelling evidence for the existence of UFOs and Aliens has ever been presented ever.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:29 PM
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When I hear 2012, I think of the Nibiru threories and the Mayan calendar. I think it is unwise to get caught up in any date, as many predicted 2000 was going to be the end, and the 2008 games were predicted to not happen.
We have to be very careful about "predictions" and so called "channelers".



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:34 PM
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Yeah, I have read that somewhere also, underground bunkers for humans to kick back in when the other humans make their appearance perhaps, but maybe its just the governments that are so situated in the need for survival that they don't see the overall idea that we exist in a cosmos full of life, and perhaps those in the past have lead their belief system to one of necessity, the eradication of a species, is not on the forecast because there are to many here that know they are more then just Humans or ordinary folk.


If anything there would be a gathering of all different walks of life trying to reconnect the family tree back together, and taking some items such as human dna is perhaps longlasting eternal life. The nuclear radiation gene is important, it lets people know how the sun reacts to certain genotypes.

But not all types of people need the sun to live, they have their own soular energy.

Life out there in space is a fixed position, one day your here the next day you are gone. One day you might be going to save a planet the next you know you are using an escape pod to avoid annihalation.

By the way I remember in one of my lifes I was in a hull of the deck of a ship in a hibernation mode so, that mode of transportation is also available. Some forms of travel may take longer then others depending on the distances.

I also know the hibernation mode deals with healing the body. The same form of hibernation could be used as a means for blowing up certain planets when the need arrives, space isn't just fun and games its responsibilty.

So lets branch off earth in a sector of space in the operations of command okay you have a ceratin type of infantry that bands together when occupational space is breached and a (red zone) is given to all that come into conact within a certain range of our solar system. You best have the clearance to that sector of space or else you have just reached the null point, or the apex of your existance. Yes there are territories setup in space for some and others need not apply.

Just food for thought.

Also the projection of our thoughts throw Earth into a different space of resonance, so the lower ranking aliens might have their hands full trying to get a lock on our position.

forty five percent of Earth is dank energy that leaves the rest which is fifty five percent up for grabs, one potential is stronger then the other, so one law of attraction would be a bit more unresistable.

But love is a great potential it lets others in to exploit our good heartedness.




[edit on 22-8-2008 by menguard]



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:38 PM
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now we push for discolsure from governments.


try to make contact with our brothers/sisters & friends from the cosmos.


we get NESARA/first contact going.
www.nesara.us...
www.white-knights911.net...



we join the Galactic Federation.


have peace on Earth..

live of Love/Light.


Evolve.



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