Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Geezus, your history is even worse then Budski's.
His version of it or his interpretation of it? How do you think he came up with his version any ways?
Please post link to reliable historical evidence.
Oh i will if you start showing some of ours. It's a well known fact ( at least to people who study this sort of thing) that the peace terms agreed to
after the dropping of the bombs where basically the same terms they had to agreed to months earlier. The dropping of the demand for the emperor to
lose all power for instance were once again dropped after the bombs were dropped.
Wrong. The Japanese put out a communique that was less then clear in its meaning, but was clear in its purpose of not being a final communique.
The Japanese knew there was a ticking clock. But like all self-deluding fools, the leadership kept playing for time they didn't have.
Right and i am sure you have a link to support that. I am sure there was in fact a measure of this but the US could have kept up conventional
bombardment almost indefinitely without ever having to give the Japanese general the benefit of a ground invasion. Eventually, slowly perhaps, the
generals would have figured out that without the Germans to provide the actual attrition battle's the Americans could even lose in a ground invasion.
Again dead wrong. Hirohito was stripped of his godhood and turned into a mere mortal constitutional monarch, identical to Elizabeth
You can't strip someone of his godhood and the Americans didn't try; that was the whole point. The Americans originally demanded that the entire
position be abolished, as i remember, but in the end settled on the logical ceremonial role that the Japanese were originally 'happy' with.
Crap. Truman knew nothing of the bomb until his sudden promotion. He was extremely reluctant to use it.
I don't think you are aware of the timeline as Roosevelt died in April, a month before 'VE' day and a good long time before 'VJ' day.
Frankly i don't care about his 'reluctance' ( presuming that he was) as it got done and unnecessarily so.
1. Because many people will believe anything if its hinted at darkly enough and often enough.
People are trusting yes and the only cure seems to be to be education.
2. Because many people know their history only from what Hollywood or their grandfather has told them and not from reading books by historians
who have read the official papers and talked to the people who were there.
This is true too but i have found that those who havn't read much are just ignorant and don't really talk about it leaving most of the
misrepresentations to those who have read the several main stream books that led to current misinformed state.
Cetainly the US and British Commonwealth did not want Japan occupied by all the major powers the way Germany was.
They didn't want it occupied by the Russians as that puts paid to that nice post cold war airbase as well as the 'usage' of 70 million extremely
industrious people. God knows how the world would have looked if the USSR had the additional benefit of putting the Japanese society to work for them.
Truman knew nothing of the kind. It was Churchill who advised him so stringently to share the knowledge of the existence but not the makings of
the bomb with Stalin.
Yup and as we all know the USSR had advisers in Japan ready to observe the explosion and it's effects.
Remember, in 1945 Churchill was voted out of office. At the final "big 3" conference Stalin was the only original there. Truman had
succeeded the dead Roosevelt, Atlee had defeated Churchill at election.
Atlee was such a "Cold Warrior" that he gave the designs for the brand new Rolls Royce Nene jet engine to Stalin for free.
Nice fella, yes, but i fail to see what this has to do with that or much anything...
Beware of the logical fallacy: All cats have four legs. My dog has four legs, therefore it is a...cat? Something must be done, this is
something, therefore we must do it.
I can refer you to some links where logic fallacies are listed with descriptions.....
Truman dropped the bomb because Marshall told him invading Japan would make Iwo Jima and Okinawa look like a sandpit fight between four-year
Truman dropped the bomb because someone or some group convinced him that there would have to be a invasion which is just a plain lie. The Japanese
would have surrendered with or without the use of atomic weapons and the additional two hundred thousand deaths were most certainly not the first or
the foremost consideration in the surrender. As the Japanese immediately discovered those in normal air raid shelters were safe and if everyone where
in shelters as per normal air raid the casualties would have been in the thousands not tens of thousands. It is far more likely the the Japanese
surrendered because they were fast losing their Manchurian possessions with the threat of a Soviet Invasion suddenly becoming a very real possibility.
Since they knew that a few millions more Soviet Casualties wouldn't prevent Stalin from taking Japan him they had very little reason not to accept
the new 'reduced' American demands which they had originally agreed to.
The pressure were simply mounting very fast and while the Generals may have believed the Japanese people able to somehow keep America at bay in the
short term they understood that the game was up and that they were fast losing what they had left to negotiate with.
The second bomb was dropped because Japan did not surrender, instead they accelerated preparations for defence against seaborne invasion.
The second bomb were dropped before the Japanese could have possibly judged the true significance or discussed it at any length . It was a typical
terrorist act mean to frighten the enemy into surrender by a sudden terror; it didn't work against the Japanese any more than it worked against
anyone else in history. As for the 'preparations' for a defense they had to do something and they were doing their best with the limited means.