Michael Moore Dares to Ask: What's So Heroic About Being Shot Down While Bombing Innocent Civilians, page 2


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reply posted on 22-8-2008 @ 07:23 AM by tezzajw
Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by tezzajw


I feel absolutely no sympathy for any troops who are deployed overseas. There's nothing heroic in it.

I'll remember you said that in the event America ever comes under enemy fire.
I'll come to your home and see which hole you're hiding in.

Firstly, I don't live in America. If anyone comes rolling down my street, then before I die, all I plan to do is to snipe at least two of them. That way, I've got a 2 to 1 kill ratio. Maybe I'll try and take out a few more, seeing that my kids are too young to fire a gun. I'm not going to be invaded. I'll be dead first, taking out as many invaders as I could.

Secondly, if America's borders were under fire, then I would expect America to fight back and repel the invaders. Just as the Iraqi 'insurgents' are doing against the American invaders and just as the Taliban are doing against the Invaders in Afghanistan.

Anyway, I won't drag the thread off topic. McCain, bombing civvies - yeah right, pin a medal to his chest. He was a tool for the war-pigs and now he wants to be the chief war-pig.

These people don't grow any more mature than children squabbling in a school yard. Watch school age children fight amongst themselves, over nothing and realise that the entire planet's politicians do exactly the same thing. At least the weapons manufacturers and the bankers still make their profits...


reply posted on 22-8-2008 @ 07:27 AM by Andrew E. Wiggin
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Okay my apologies, i didn't see you from Australia mate- ill remember that if Australia ever comes under attack and begs the united states for help.

I don't agree with pointless wars, but i also don't blame the soldiers for them.

Do you know WHY no other countries have tried to attack the Unites States since the 1940's? (pearl harbor?) Because of the fierce determination and lethal force of our soldiers.

Because of the military.
It scares the # out of anyone who opposes it.


reply posted on 22-8-2008 @ 11:49 AM by Skipper1975
reply to post by budski




What's So Heroic About Being Shot Down While Bombing Innocent Civilians?

there is no heroics in that per se...


he's brave for joing the military and flying around getting shot at

but killing humans is the dumbest thing on planet earth..



stand back and look at war...honestly


reply posted on 22-8-2008 @ 01:33 PM by Blaine91555
reply to post by budski


Michael Moore the King of Spin and Lies


Using a person as disgusting as Moore to try and smear anyone else, whether true or false, requires one to learn how it feels to be a snake in the grass. Nothing personal against you budski, I just can't stomach that guy for some reason and some of his lies and spin are sooooo obvious it makes one wonder how he has even a single fan on this planet?

Attacking McCain on this topic is as low as it gets. How incredibly desperate some people must be to resort to this. McCain is a Man; Moore is a sissy little pile of vomit with a fat head who lies for a living. Moore could not get elected raw sewage manager and he is a valid source for anything?

My response has nothing to do with who he attacked but everything to do with what a slime bucket Moore is. Even when he is right he is so disgusting I'd believe the opposite just to spite him. When I see him being interviewed I have to avert my eyes just keep from vomiting and even then a little bile finds its way into my mouth. Ooooooooooooh! I just tried to imagine touching his putrid flesh and I had to run to the bathroom just in case.

Laying Moore aside attacking McCain in this way on this issue will backfire immediately and the net result will be more votes for McCain not against. It has zero relevance to the election and does not speak to any real issue so it is just a spiteful attack. Its a new low for Moore and I smell the slimiest operatives the Democrats have in their ranks behind it. This is no Swift Boat and it won't work.

Did I mention that I don't care for Moore


reply posted on 22-8-2008 @ 02:26 PM by Cowgirlstraitup7
Originally posted by Night Watchman


Look, I happen to believe those who are willing to defend one's country are heroic. They didn't make the policy. They don't get to choose the actions they take. They are simply doing their jobs and because they do, the citizens of their country can feel safe (except the paranoids who hide under the bed because they see govt conspiracies at every turn.



I'm a little late in this thread but I have to address this quote from you. I DO NOT and WILL NOT ever consider someone heroic for doing THEIR JOB! The job they signed up for and are being PAID, YES PAID to do. You want a hero, think about the guy who jumped on the subway tracks to save a child a couple of years back in NY. He wasn't PAID to do that. Think about the people that risk their lives everyday to do something nice for someone else even though it's NOT THEIR JOB! That is a hero. Doing what you are getting paid to do is not heroic.

Merriam webster defines it as this:

Main Entry: he·ro
Pronunciation: \ˈhir-(ˌ)ō\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural heroes
Etymology: Latin heros, from Greek hērōs
Date: 14th century
1 a: a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability b: an illustrious warrior c: a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities d: one that shows great courage
2 a: the principal male character in a literary or dramatic work b: the central figure in an event, period, or movement
3plural usually heros : submarine 2
4: an object of extreme admiration and devotion : idol

That to me DOES NOT define McCain.

My own definition of hero is "to go above and beyond the call of duty"

Enough said.

to Michael Moore for saying what I would say if my small voice could be heard!


reply posted on 22-8-2008 @ 02:40 PM by ghofer
What I like about Moore is that he gets the issues out there. He admits that his comments are biased. The media is so biased towards the right and as he says, he has no reason to represent that side in any of his arguments as it's so well represented already.

As for war, I think they've all been huge humanitarian disasters. Despite the agreements after WWI at the Hague that countries should not puposely attack civilian populations, that seems to be precisely what happened in WWII and later wars. Germany bombed London. England wiped out Dresden. The U.S. fire bombed Tokyo and nuked Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Relatives of mine died in WWII on both sides of the conflict. I fault the political and military leaders on both sides for the unnecessary civilian deaths. They argue that since civilians help the war effort by working in military industries, that they can be considered legitimate military targets.

I was once considering joining the air force but the thought of having to obey stupid orders that would result in civilian deaths would not appeal to me. I think you have to have a very cold attitude towards people to be a military bomber or fighter pilot. I've been to several classic jet conventions at U.S. air force bases and have seen videos where enemies are bombed by F-16s, F-15s, F-18s, etc. Laughter and happiness prevail during these videos. It's not like they even consider it a necessary evil, they take enjoyment out of seeing a group of people getting killed by a cluster bomb. It all just makes me ill.


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