i have a question,

it should seem reasonable...

you say they are psychicly feeding off our energy, well i am familiar with this type of vampirism, certain humans also need vital energy to sustain themselves....
1. what makes their hunger any different

2. what makes their sucking on us any more special or dangerous or whatever

3. do you most certainly conclude that these shadow men are grey species alien?

your answers will help clarify my read of what you wrote thanks!!!!

I see, I see dead people..... I see Bruce Willis

Ephesians 6:12

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

These "watchers" are fallen angels. Now you know they they are "evil"

Im not trying to discredit the thread creator and I do believe in UFOs and maybe even aliens. But that just sounds like crap to me. Sorry but I figured I would be honest.


I have eye floaters. Those round shaped and string shaped clear particles. I just woke up one day and they were there. I see them outside when I look at the sky. The only time I see them inside my house is when Im looking at my computer screen and thats only occasionaly. I asked my doctor and he said people with eye problems get them. But Web MD said they can be benign. Look it up. They are just floaters.


Also Looking at a computer screen and reading small text strains and even damages your eyes. You need to take break and blink once in a while. Some times I see points of light about thumb tack sized. Mostly when Im on my PC and my eyes feel tired and strained and a little while after Im off my PC. That can also explain some of the lights people see. I was also sick a while back and think I suffered from a vitamin deffiency from diet change and I saw light orbs that were small and so did my nephew. Plus we were both taking the same kind of antibiotics.


I have also seen things out of the corner of my eyes. It doesnt scare me and it doesnt look like demons/monsters/aliens/shadow people/ghosts. It happens when Im really tired and my eyes get heavy or after I have been sitting at my PC for a long time straining my eyes. Its probably because your eyes are sore and need a break. This may explain some of those occurences. Your eyes dont work as well when they are tired or strained. Its like they have slowed down and images and play tricks on you. But during the day while Im full rested and at peak performance I dont see any thing like that. Just the floaters if I go outside and look at the sky.

I would also like to add that the eye floaters and points of light dont move on thier own they move with my vision. Its no big deal. My sight is fine by the way. When I do see them they follow my vision to where ever Im looking. Its like having a spot on a binocular lense and having it appear where ever you look. I only see the floaters outside and with really bright light. The points of light happen but not so much. Right now I just saw a tiny point of yellowish light appear near my thumb and my eyes are sore from reading some of the posts and typing my responses. Other then that I havent seen any thing like that all day.

Thanks alot ATS and your addicting forums and my sore strained eyes. me and my eyes need a break.

rjmelter... I think psychology is quite valid. I said my post was about psychiatry. Psychology and psychiatry are not the same thing. Your attempt to make someone look foolish succeeded. I am not a christian either, however these demons hate Lord Jesus, so I'm sure it irritates some. Best Wishes.

Also... you must realize that our minds are a collective as much as an individual.

If this is true, then perhaps there are more effective methods of communicating your awareness to the rest of us than merely posting here on ATS?

If you believe a thought is an existing thing with shape and behavior....
it exists somewhere and can be viewed and emulated. Thing is I didn't ask
for my house to be invaded by disgruntled looking little "spirit" bugs on
two legs .

Nor did the cattle we eat "ask" to be enslaved by us and used for food. Nevertheless, it has happened.

They physically assault me on rare occasions, and I mostly just try to ignore it.

You are aware of it, and choose to not act? Does this not imply willfull acceptance of what they do to you?

Perhaps this is not the best strategy if you wish to avoid being assaulted?

I don't believe that my individual consciousness was the originator of these things
our minds are a collective as much as an individual

...then perhaps it doesn't particularly matter if your individual consciousness was the originator?

I sometimes feel so out of whack with the consensus "view" that I
must honestly ask myself and others whether I'm still making sense or not.

our minds are a collective as much as an individual

...does it make sense that if our minds are collective...that your individual perspective could be "out of whack" if the collective is not also?

I've had encounters with good beings, too. I've been abducted before,
and I remember nothing except the craft flying away and me waving at
them as they left.

...if you "remember nothing" about your "abduction" except their departure...why would you conclude that they were "good?"

Originally posted by j1969p
I cannot say that I have seen these things visually, but I have thought it is almost exactly the way you have described it. I think sometimes some of my/our thoughts are actually a vision of what's around us that we can't see.

Sorry the replies are sparse. I finally got to replying late last night, and then I started nodding out at around 4am... so I will continue the responses now. This has turned into an 8 page thing, so bare with me I don't type rapidly.

To respond to the above post,

I would go farther than you, and I would say that our thoughts represent a different dimension underlying our own with as much shape, color, and dimension as our visible reality. Though it is tough to imagine the actual architecture of a multi-dimensional existence, I would say that every "dimension" within our experienced dimension is an extension of another dimension blending into ours. Like the tip of an iceburg, we only experience one very small piece of each aspect's actual being.

Like for example, if in your experience, you see an ash tray. You are only experiencing a small cross section of the actual full spectrum of what actually makes the ash tray exist in this dimension....

Originally posted by AlienCarnage
Ok, so in my first reply in this thread I was kind of rude to the OP, my appologies, went with gut reaction instead of thinking it through. I know you said these invisible beings are like parasites or something similar to that. and there are like 5 to every house. Now for us they would not crowd us because of the invisibility, but wouldn't the get in each others way, there being that many of them?

Someone mentioned insectoids in describing these beings....

insectoids tend to crowd each other, and I have noticed that they often act in tandem, like they have a greater hive mind...

From what I've observed, they don't at all think like people. They are intelligent, but in a completely different way. They don't have our same desires, fears, loves, maybe they have no emotions at all but just cold analytical logic without reason.

They seem to be able to mimic our emotions and things... but this is just to achieve their goals, and their goals are parasitic in nature it seems, and they absolutely don't have reasons for the things they do like we do. It very well may be that these creatures are actually only fractional manifestations in our
dimension of a much greater, much more bizarre hyper being that is absolutely alien to our understanding or ability to observe it.

Originally posted by Heike
I have a few questions, if you don't mind.

When you see these things interacting with or hanging around other people, does anyone else besides you seem to be aware of them?

Do animals and/or small children seem to be aware of them? If so, how do they react?

Do you have an ideas about possible ways to protect oneself from them? Do they seem to avoid any substances or objects?

It would be too cliche if they couldn't stand garlic or silver or crosses, but that's sort of the way my mind is going. The Fae had problems with "cold iron," werewolves have trouble with wolfsbane .. if they've been around for a long time and some people have been aware of them, perhaps somewhere in all of the legends and mythology there is a nugget of truth regarding something that is harmful or repulsive to them; their "kryptonite" so to speak.

Do you see them in areas where there are few no or people also, such as parks or empty parking lots, or do they only congregate around humans?

Thanks!

I believe that they mostly congregate in private residences, but I have seen lots of them at Theme Parks.

Children see these things all the time. Closet monsters, boogeymen, scary "men" in their room... of course the all-knowing adult figures affirm to their child that "it's all their imagination" or "you were just having a bad dream", and they ignore completely when a child disagrees with their analysis.

My dog senses these things all the time... but what really surprized was a few weeks ago when I was babysitting my sister's dogs. The bulldog seemed very receptive, because whenever I saw one of these things, the bulldog would confirm it by barking at it. To most people, it would seem like he was barking at nothing... but I put two and two together. I see this thing, and the bulldog is barking directly at it.... what an impossible coincidence!

I've said before... just have or create to the best of your ability no fear of them. When you encounter one, or if you get the feeling of dread... crack a joke, dance (this one is my personal favorite), sing, talk to it, attempt to make friends with it. It doesn't have to respond, but they get very puzzled by this, from what I can tell. It's not what they expect from us.

Someone told me that spreading salt around is effective. I tried this, but didn't have conclusive results with it. Maybe I didn't use enough salt. It's possible that instead of spreading it with a salt shaker, I should buy a big can of salt that I can pour a solid line of down, but I'm sure my mother would get aggravated if there was salt everywhere, and my dog would start licking it up. It would be more conclusive if I lived alone and was able to try it in larger quantities.

Also like I said, good visualization techniques seem to work for a lot of people. Visualizing different forms of white light surrounding you and your home, visualizing spirit guides or protectors, shields of energy, etc..... ya know, different forms of meditative visualization.