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Topic started on 21-8-2008 @ 09:37 PM by psychedeliack
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I have been trying to find the list of books on the military blacklist, as I have heard that books like The conquest continues by Noam Chomsky are
forbidden to be read by active duty officers.
I ask because I want to join the army and I want to be sure I can read the Bhagavad Gita when/if deployed. If anyone has info in this, please let
me know. Also, any info on military life / experience is very welcomed.
If this thread is out of line, please forgive me and delete it, thanks.
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reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 09:44 PM by the way
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No offence meant to you at all but why would you want to join the military if your a krishna?
Isn't it against its teachings to pursue violence?
I'm pretty sure they don't accept pacifists!
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reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 09:51 PM by Wolf321
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Where did you hear of a blacklist? I was in the military until not too long ago, and I don't ever recall being told I could not read certain books or
literature. I know you couldn't partake in certain anti-government events or production of propaganda, but nothing about restricting study of
anything.
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reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 09:54 PM by jerico65
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I've never heard of a blacklist of books. In fact, it would probably be the opposite.
You know, "Know your enemy".
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reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 10:17 PM by psychedeliack
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Ive heard it a few different places, here is one link.
english.hani.co.kr...
And I want to join because of my beliefs, I am not pursuing violence, I am pursuing to serve my homeland, my country, whatever that entails. To
defend the innocent is not against hindu belief, its basically what the bhagavad gita is all about, hence, 'Bhagavad-gita, krishnas counsel in time
of war'
not a pacifist either, I am willing to do what and where the universe takes me, and upon contemplation, I feel it is selfish of me not to join. To
reap the benefits of the vanity here, and not put in my time regardless of what people say the intentions are. This way I will feel I have a voice
when it comes to speaking of things government/military related, and I will not feel guilty sitting on my perch while people die for me to do so, I
will have put in my time to reap such benefits as vanity.
Also, I want to try and prove to myself that the government is not evil, and if they are, and Im correct, then I at least have some say having served.
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reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 10:24 PM by psychedeliack
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Originally posted by the way
No offence meant to you at all but why would you want to join the military if your a krishna?
Isn't it against its teachings to pursue violence?
I'm pretty sure they don't accept pacifists!
Im not exactly sure, but I am pretty sure, that is buddhism, not hinduism. YEs hinduism expresses peace etc, but it also justifies defending the
innocent.
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reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 10:26 PM by MikeboydUS
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There isn't any blacklist, you can read what ever you want: the Koran, Mein Kampf, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, The Communist Manifesto, and
plenty of other controversial material.
Some stuff might set off red flags with the DHS though. The DOD on the other hand doesnt really care. They would like people to read Starship Troopers
and Sun Tzu though.
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reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 10:27 PM by eaglewingz
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reply to post by psychedeliack
Ummm, the link you provided was NOT to a blacklist of the U.S. military.
The United States has no Ministry of Defense and certainly no Defense Minister "Lee Sang-hee".
Military expands book blacklist
It was discovered that the Ministry of National Defense has labeled books about culture and best-sellers as “seditious publications” and taken
them off the shelves...
Action was taken following an order given by Defense Minister Lee Sang-hee on July 19, the document said.
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reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 10:30 PM by Wolf321
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reply to post by psychedeliack
The link you provided is not about the US military. I am not sure, but I believe it is about South Korea. The US doesn't have a Ministry of Defense,
but a Defense Department.
Also, I want to try and prove to myself that the government is not evil, and if they are, and Im correct, then I at least have some say having
served.
That is wonderful! There need to be more people like you. Typically, people who bash the system, have never worked in the system. Experience it for
yourself. What I learned in my experience, military men and women aren't evil. In fact, you have a smaller ratio of 'evil' to good types there
than in civilian life. Typically, the greater 'evils' that occur in the military are made by top ranking people. That's where you come in. If you
stay smart, and willing to follow the rules before just following orders, you can help prevent such things.
I had the same logic you mentioned. If it is bad, and you being good can be in it, thus making it less bad, the more good people who get involved the
better it would be.
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reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 10:31 PM by psychedeliack
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reply to post by MikeboydUS
Thats good to hear, I wonder what that article is founded on? I thought it was a little weird that I couldnt find anything else on it. thanks ATS
fam.
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reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 10:34 PM by psychedeliack
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reply to post by Wolf321
Youre right, and have a good point, im just sick of having to hold my tongue about issues, so Im going to do it. I do plan on being a very loyal
soldier, and I dont think most people in the military are evil at all, just folks like you and I. So yes, every bit of good that joins makes it all
the better. Thanks for your support!
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reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 10:37 PM by psychedeliack
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reply to post by eaglewingz
haha, my bad. I thought it was a little off. Thats weird they ban books tho. Thanks guys for helping me realize the dumb*** I can be!
sorry to waste anyones time. and thank you for responding.
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reply posted on 22-8-2008 @ 12:26 PM by badmedia
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When I was in the military I never heard anything about such a reading list. Lots of things have changed since then, but I've never heard anything
about it.
As for military advice. My best advice is to get the shortest contract you can possibly get. Probably a 2 year contract, which will no doubt be
extended to 3yrs by default(happened to my little brother).
You are either gonna love it or hate it. And if you love it, they will be all too happy to give you another contract, and when you re-enlisted you
will be given a fast track on promotions because they feel you will stick around. And if you hate it, then you get out quick.
When people sign up for 3 years, they are usually around the rank of E-4 at the end of it. I never seen anyone go to NCO school before re-enlisting.
But I did see people who re-enlisted early and got to go to NCO school while others weren't even mentioned.
You said officers, but I'd be willing to bet it's a similar situation. They don't want to waste money sending someone to NCO school or other
forms of training if they are going to leave 6 months later.
Another thing is you can usually make a change in your MOS on re-enlistment if you want. My brother went from a NBC guy to a medic in his first
re-enlistment.
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