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reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 08:59 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by red 5



Come ON!!! that's cute, but best left to a place like, oh I don't know....some other InterTubes site that best not be named???

ATS has a certain standard of conduct. I am JUST a member, in good standing....but I know when I can see poor conduct, being portrayed, just because this is a 'free' site.....

Let me ask anyone, who happens to drop in....if you had a young child, what would you wish him or her to see more??

This site, or YT?


reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 09:05 PM by crmanager
reply to post by Agit8dChop



I am curious as to the thought that the U.S. was the evny of the world during Clintons presidency.

Was it due to leadership? Don't forget the U.S. invaded a soveriegn nation without U.N. approval and was loved. Why not now?

Was it due to the "apology" tour Bill took? Did that show humility?



reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 09:06 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by Agit8dChop



Oh MY!, agiated.....

Lot's of History there, I won't refute.....

But maybe better suited to a new thread??

I'm going to go buy some more model airplanes, online.... I need more Epoxy.....because some of these discussions are getting too violent.....

(if I had a SON.....I'd take him out to fly a kite, or teach him to fly a model airplane, or an R/C car....anything but this!!!)

EDIT...I also like model trains....I am currently in the HO field, but only because they are a great average between the 'N' Scale, and the "O" Scale

(See, "HO" actually means 'half-O'.....)

ANYWAY.....HO is somthing that I can still see....it is about 1:87 scale.....

[edit on 8/21/0808 by weedwhacker]


reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 09:13 PM by SHADOW WALKER
reply to post by jpm1602



Well Said . Ya Cant Beat That One ! Let Em Have It Both Barrels! You Just Made My Day !


reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 09:19 PM by Agit8dChop
reply to post by crmanager



Sure your only wacking those weeds, weed wacker!

As for Clintons years... purley from an outside view, he was an excellent leader.
I believe he brought your nation into budget surplus?
He was a likeable guy, charisma, he could talk, play sax ( c'mon thats cool )

the 90's was the peak of the 'peace-time'
Technology was booming, for the first time the world become only a few seconds of a model dial-tone away, or a phone call.
American TV, Movies, Music.. the idea of the American dream,
Yes, America was in bliss, and the world wanted it.

As for the US invading a nation, I believe youd be referring to somalia or Serbia?

The way I look at it, Somalia was the USA's first attempt to rid Africa of its warlord mentality, yes it failed.. maybe we did it wrong, but we tried and ultimately they suffered.

As for Serbia? Who can doubt that action needed to be taken.

But look at it today, when we did those acts, we did it under the guise of the UN, a small action force to remove a threat then get out.

People didnt mind those skirmishes, because we didnt get 'too involved'

People hate the US and its involvement today, because its clear we didnt need to act, we only did for corporate profit.



reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 09:19 PM by crmanager
reply to post by masqua



So is your opinion "Too big for our britches?"

Interesting.

So now that the U.S. is the ONLY country that said it will defend Poland and Ukrain should the U.S. simply let Eastern Europe go back to the Soviet Empire?


reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 09:29 PM by crmanager
reply to post by Agit8dChop



Again, an interesting point.

Serbin action "needed" to be taken. And we are still there. But when Saddam gassed his own people, invaded Iran and paid the families of suicide bombers who killed innocent Israelis...no action was needed.

And the U.S. is soon to sign a deal to leave Iraq.

So you are saying illegal use of military power.

Or only CERTAIN use of illegal military power.


reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 09:40 PM by Agit8dChop
Yes, but we arent in Serbia to the extent we are in Iraq,
I admit, Saddam was doing bad things, but after GW1 he stopped, because we pummeled him.

GW1, if we coaxed him into striking kuwait or not, was nessecary because it removed his WMD capability and brought him down a peg or two.

I think, Illegial use of military power is a very sticky term.
In every single engagement, someone will claim 'illegial use of military power'

Ie, the Nazi's in WW2, the Afghans in the soviet war, and the Iraqi's in GW1.

This is where you need to be on your game enough to distinguish which is which.

That is why the golden rule of declaring war should only be done in retaliation was a good rule. Because anyone brazon enough to attack someone out of the blue, deserved and expected a counter attack that would wipe them out, and be justified. Frankly because they struck first and without warrant.

Iraq is the first time the US has activley struck first, and tried to convince the world it was justified, sadly it has been proven time and time again, what they used to justify it was actually a lie.

There fore making their unprovoked attack an illegial agression against a nation.


To add,
I dont care what the MSM says about a deal being signed with Americans leaving Iraq,

America is never leaving the worlds largest oil fields behind ( yes, it was found Iraq had more oil that Saudi, it just wanst posted on the MSM )

We will always have a large military presence, with a larger corporate military infront, protecting the corporate assets.

Remember, the Private army is larger than the US army in Iraq...

The only we are leaving, is in body bags... or because someone has a dramatic change of heart and stops this mindless looting and bloodshed.

[edit on 21-8-2008 by Agit8dChop]


reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 10:01 PM by jitombe
reply to post by crmanager



If I hated the U.S. that much I would not live here and if I hated ATS, I would not be typing my reply to your post. The U.S. is still the land of opportunity for those who are willing to put in 110% every day to make something out of their lives. As far as the majority of the people who live in the U.S., they are morons and that is all they will ever be - how else can you explain president retard winning the election twice?

Asians are not better or smarter than people here in the U.S., they just put in more effort not to be retarded about life in general. I live in a world full of morons, they are everywhere and there are plenty of them who spend their time on ATS as well. There are plenty of intelligent, open-minded individuals on this site as well but there is no escaping having to deal with morons from time to time.


reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 10:34 PM by red 5
reply to post by weedwhacker



What did I say? I am not sure but I think this is a racial attack. Wow and that is not off topic?



reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 10:40 PM by red 5
reply to post by weedwhacker



Oh yea and I have two teen girls, I would rather have them watchcing YOU TUBE, (that is how you spell it I think) than this schizo affected dream world.



reply posted on 22-8-2008 @ 01:50 AM by TKainZero
reply to post by InTrueFiction



Hmm...

Well, you see, people arent comeing here cause you said THOSE who HATE the US, AND ATS...

Most of th America-Haters, LOVE ATS, because they have been promoated to Mods... and can censor anyone that is too pro-american...

Make a thread dedicated to those who JUST hate the US, and you will be mighty popular amounst the ATS leadership...


reply posted on 22-8-2008 @ 04:47 PM by deathpoet69
reply to post by crmanager



5. because the united states goverment with influencefrom the uk have totally messed this world up.


reply posted on 22-8-2008 @ 04:53 PM by red 5
reply to post by TKainZero



Yes that is absolutely true, in fact I am willing to bet that I could post a post on this thread and have it removed as off topic. However it is censorship of this website not necessarily in favor of U.S. haters.
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