Originally posted by cpdaman

this doesn't seem logical to me

i mean i completely understand not wanting to disrespect anyone who suffered that day. but what do you mean by entertaining the thought they lied, that is poor word choice, considering alot of people also heard "explosions",

Sorry, friend, I guess in my attempts to maintain some anonymity I let my words become confusing.

I know it was a plane that hit the Pentagon because loved ones picked up pieces of the plane while they were pulling survivors from the rubble. I know it was a passenger plane because loved ones saw luggage and personal effects. A colleague of mine was one of the witnesses who saw the plane hit the building.

So, as you can see, I'm not big on calling family members liars by buying into conspiracy theories stating that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon.

Some of the first seekers of truth about 911 came from the family members of the souls lost on that day.

Originally posted by anachryon

Originally posted by cpdaman

this doesn't seem logical to me

i mean i completely understand not wanting to disrespect anyone who suffered that day. but what do you mean by entertaining the thought they lied, that is poor word choice, considering alot of people also heard "explosions",

Sorry, friend, I guess in my attempts to maintain some anonymity I let my words become confusing.

I know it was a plane that hit the Pentagon because loved ones picked up pieces of the plane while they were pulling survivors from the rubble. I know it was a passenger plane because loved ones saw luggage and personal effects. A colleague of mine was one of the witnesses who saw the plane hit the building.

So, as you can see, I'm not big on calling family members liars by buying into conspiracy theories stating that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon.

thanks for the clairification i completely understand

also i never substantially doubted wether a plane or a certain kind of plane hit the white house but with that understanding of where we are both sort of "coming from" don't you agree that SHOULD this be a large coverup , that there would be a dozen or so ideas of what happened (people trying to figure out what happened), and lots of them will be wrong (even a few deliberately wrong- because this gets some people to rush back to the offical story when they see ONE or TWO other conspiracy's about 9/11 are false i.e no plane theory-) you understand that KEY right? there are many theory's of what happened other than the official story, dont throw them all out, because a few are silly

so how many changed their mind on the conspiracy

No!

The biggest spin I seen for quite a while, was the dramatic large cave-in they showed for the pentagon.

when I finally seen the initial small hole I then realized, it was not shown to everyone on purpose, to make an impression.

oh please

if the press was interested in truth instead of drama, they'd have posted, the full sequence of pics they took, in the paper and on the television when they replayed it.

but replaying something that would raise more questions as opposed to cementing the idea that an airliner hit it, was more important to the editors, the real enemy of the people, than was truth.



I don't know how or who, but it was not as was told, that's about all I can say.

Great observation about Loved ones picking up luggage and personal belongings.
Believe the government conspiracy theory or piece together one of your own. Either way, when the Government lies to the citizens that they serve then by default they cease to be the constitutionally mandated Government.
We live in a system where "rule of law" is the standard. Those who act outside of the law or who act above the law are disrespecting the rule of law standard.
What is happening here is thousands of citizens attempting to reassemble a very large and complex jigsaw. It is difficult and painstaking and at times feels futile. It is easier to just give up. Safer to give up. Less emotionally disturbing to give up. Less psychological turmoil to give up.

Originally posted by anachryon
many members of my family are emergency responders - police, firefighters, EMTs and the like, and they were involved with recovery at the Pentagon.

Sounds like your family members were true heroes that day. To go thru the horror of looking for survivors must be agonizing. However, there are those that appreciate all they did.

Don't let a few conspiracy theorists spoil their efforts. They will soon fade away.


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I don't wish to be pedantic but what are the odds of three buildings falling due to fire or thermal expansion on the same day? Are there any previous examples of any buildings that have fallen due to fire or thermal expansion?

Originally posted by JimBeam

Not going to waste too much time with a response because it appears that A to B linkage is just enough that you can handle.

Thank you for being so considerate

I guess you seem to think that things are black are white and teeter between the two.

You seem to guess alot

You either aren't very good at chess,

The last time I played was in grade 6. I was the envy of my classroom

never worked for a big corporation,

Wrong again. I've worked for many big corporations.

or understand history very well(understanding by feeling/being that history).

Just how exactly does anyone feel history? How do you know I don't have a good understanding of history? Did you just feel that might the case?

Strategy is used to deceive, okay. I hope that makes sense to you.

Loud and clear buddy

When a good strategy is implemented, the people(meant to be deceived by said strategy) are deceived without knowing that they ARE deceived.

With regards to 9/11, are you sure you are not being deceived?

Are you following? Because this is as basic as it gets.

Still here

The deceived now believe what the deceivers/strategists have told them and act accordingly.

Exactly. In the case of the 9/11 "truthers" or the "gov is behind everything" crowd you hear the same lies over and over again. When confronted with evidence that proves their claims are false, they conveniently go on repeating "disinfo", as well as claiming the person that provided the "disinfo" a "disinfo agent". Or if someone has a differing view they are immediately labeled "sheeple".

They seem to act exactly how they are "trained" to act by their deceivers.

Have you ever worked in at a place and was told to do something utterly ridiculous and not given a reason why? I'm sure you have.

No I haven't. My suggestion to you is if this happened to you and were unhappy with what you were told to do, you should quit that job.

There is a reason/strategy behind this. This is not conspiracy talk here at all.

You sure are trying hard to turn it into a conspiracy

A person that knows he/she is being deceived(on any level) excepts their position of slave

Right and???

A true patriot will not allow themselves to be deceived by anyone.

Right but thats one strike against you because you believe people that live in make belief land where government is responsible for everything under the sun and everything that happens in the world is part of a larger conspiracy. And in failing to question these people's motives or sources, you are letting yourself be deceived.

BTW claiming yourself to be a patriot is like me calling myself a hero.

And who do you think the biggest deceivers are in your daily life.....YOUR GOVERNMENT.

Politicians are liars by nature. But as far as the biggest deceivers go, some of these conspiracy crowds are running a pretty close second.

You NEVER, EVER trust the government or give them the benefit of the doubt.

I know very few people personally that work in government so I cannot make that call. But in our modern day society I don't have to make that call because if a politician does somethings that I don't agree with, they will not get my vote. That's why it's important for government officials to do the right thing because if they don't, they will have a very short career.

Welcome to democracy Mr. Beam

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thanks cash link

you know that as the economic pain deepens in this country more people will be open to giving uncomfortable possible truths a FAIR chance.

In good economic times it is much easier to brush such depressing things off, the next few years is when more people will actually be more open to listening to these viewpoints, because they will be getting fed up with their own economic pain, and this gives them less reason to filter the rest of the uncomfortable truths as blissful ignornace and dismiss them out of hand.

the time to get people to be more receptive to wake up is coming and is directly proportional to their economic pain. sure others have believed they have figured it out when they are happy and succesful, but most don't put in the effort or show a desire to pull off that balancing act IMO.