titorite v.s. Andrew Ender Wiggin – First Response
I will start by answering my opponents questions:
Answer to Question 1
As for the first part of this two part first question – “Can you list any large mirrors from Egyptian antiquity” –
no I cannot.
As for the second part of this two part first question – “Can I list any references to mirrors being used for the illumination of the ancient
No. I cannot. However – the theory rests on the idea that they did possess smaller hand sized mirrors, so it was possible that they could have
incorporated the same technology on a larger scale. This is not the only theory for illumination however, further evaluation later.
Answer to Question 2
The Pharos Light house was among the tallest man-made structure for many centuries, and was identified as one of the Seven Wonders of the World by
Antipater of Sidon.
Very tall building + night sky + large fire = 30 mile visibility.
Answer to Question 3
I think what my opponent is asking is “how many temples of knowledge or areas have been discovered”
There is no discernable answer to this question, because we are only left to speculate what a civilization 3000+ years ago could have used a – now
– very desolate and barren room for.
Its easy to recognize that a room was used for burial – if there was a corpse. Its easy to recognize that a room was used for sacrifice if there
are altars and text to accompany the notion.
First, you must prove your claim that All advanced cultures have buildings of research or academia applies to ancient cultures as well. The fact that
the Egyptians left no descriptions behind as to how they were actually constructed further supports this. If rooms that were solely used for academia
and scientific experiments existed in Ancient Egypt – and they are in some way labeled so – then we, as a modern civilization, have yet to find
Only speculation can prove what a room was used for outside the obvious of “burial chamber” and “place of worship” – as they are clearly
labeled as such.
Answer to Question 4
Yes. I think that it is a possibility.
My First Response
My opponent makes the claim that
“With a lack of soot in many decorated Egyptian buildings it is obvious torchlight was not used.”
But this simply is not true. We know that the Egyptians were very advanced for their day. They took great pride in appearance, and adorned
everything, even in death, with riches and wealth, gold and jewels. Why is it that they would leave behind “soot” so carelessly? If you manage
to get soot from your fireplace all over your living room – would you leave it?
As for avoiding/removing soot from the temples themselves, there are actually very logical explanations and methods.
Mud. You simply line your ceilings with mud, the soot collects in the mud, you remove the mud after you’re done, and the problem is solved. If you
are carving the ceilings – then you can use a covered
lamp (as you can see from
Source 1: Reference 1
the ancient Egyptians did, indeed, use
The Eygptians may have been using some sort of vegetable oil – which would produce a lot less soot. Intentionally? That’s another discussion.
But it is a possibility to describe absence of soot, and it’s a realistic possibility – because of the proof we have to suggest they used
My opponent also tells us :
Such problems might include the construction and wall writings in the many confined tombs of Egypt. With limited air supply a torch would be
both impractical and dangerous to construction crews and wall writers. Whats more, the lack of soot on the majority of the tomb walls infers that no
matter what the method of illumination was, fire was not used to light the Egyptians work areas.
But what we speculate about the construction of the pyramids certainly suggests that physical well being was not an issue of Ancient Egypt, there was
no O.S.H.A. in the year 3000 B.C. So inferring that torches were not used because they could be harmful to the lungs and a Pharaoh’s slave
certainly does not agree with the mindset of the times of which we speak.
Next, my opponent makes the claim that without electricity, it would not be possible to see the Light house from 30 miles away.
This is a matter for discussion, of course, but it does bring up another interesting theory. How is it possible to produce the electricity that
would be required for such a feat, and even furthered… no evidence of any such power station exists. There are no wires, there are no nodes, there
is no metal conductors, there’s nothing to suggest that electricity was used. Certainly in order for the power to reach the top – it had to
travel through something. If this were possible – then what happened to the “something” of which electricity traveled, and what happened to the
“something” that produced the massive amounts of electricity?
So we are left with the problem of “how did they carve and paint in pitch dark”
We haven’t ruled out oil lamps.
We haven’t ruled out candles.
Giant mirrors do not seem to be plausible
All known references to the electric light bulb in ancient Egypt, left to us by Egyptians, have been ruled out as a story as the birth of one of their
For further study of the Denderah Carvings, let us evaluate a key piece of the argument. The squiggly line that some call a snake, and some call a
filament for a light bulb.
In this first image, we see the figure in question as it appears in the Denderah Carvings.
In this image we see the same exact figure in a different carving, clearly representing a snake God on a boat. Pay special attention to the first
image, and the relationship of the face of that image. Compare it to the second image, and you can see very distinct similarities. The Denderah
Carvings depict a snake. The text provided with the carvings themselves backs this claim.
So – if we choose to take a hypothetical route for a moment, and lets pretend that all of the above are ruled out.
- No electricity
- No torches
- No mirrors
- No candles
- No Lamps
Then how could they possibly have made all of those carvings inside the pyramids in the pitch dark?
I propose that the answer is rather quite simple: The carvings were made on each block prior to being put into place.
Is it really outside the realm of possibilities that they would carve the immaculate images into stone before setting them into place? When building
a pyramid, its most definite that there was planning involved as to where each stone should go – and how big each should be, why would it not be
appropriate to further that slightly and say that one “Stone A” you would do carvings for the interior of the pyramid?
When all is said and done – we have to examine what we know, in order to seek out answers to questions like “did the Ancient Egyptians have an
electric light bulb?”.
The ancient Egyptians have left behind nearly flawless preserved bodies in the form of mummies. We have pottery, hand mirrors, statues, gold,
jewelry, etc etc etc, left from this marvelous civilization.
What we don’t have is a single shred of evidence to support the notion that they had a light bulb.
There is no metal socket.
There is no wiring.
There is no source of electricity.
The only conceivable item in existence that even supports this notion is the Denderah Carvings. It is from the visual representation and a “wishful
thinking” see what you want to see type of mindset, that we can guess that they are holding a light bulb in those carvings.
But that interpretation is only possible if you leave out the writings on the actual carvings themselves completely spelling out what story the
carvings are telling us.
Just because the carvings represent something we could closely associate with a light bulb, does not make it so. The writings with the carving prove
Questions for my Opponent:
If the Pharos’ Light Tower was indeed powered by electricity, why is there no sign of a power source, anywhere?
A light bulb for such a monumental task (as the light house) would surely leave behind some trace of its existence, be it a socket, a plug, wires,
what have you. Do any such traces exist?
As the official theory describes it: can you please explain for us why there are striking similarities in the snake God on a boat and the
“filament” in the “light bulb” on the Denderah carvings? Refer to the image links above for visual definition of “striking
How is the presence lotus flower at the end of the object you call a light bulb, in the Denderah carvings, explained? What I mean is – is this
picture telling us that the light bulb plugs into a flower? No theory that I’ve seen personally that supports the idea of an electric light bulb,
will touch the presence of the Lotus flower being present giving birth to a snake.
In the actual Dendera carvings seen in this external image link
We are able to see the carving in question. My question is – if the Djed is actually representing an insulator for the electrical current on the
right side – then why is there a completely different image supporting the “light bulb” on the left side? Wouldnt both need an insulator to