Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
More and more people being exposed to the lies of David Griffin, Alex Jones, Craig Ranke etc....and believing them.

Look at the recent posts on ATS..

Power Down of both towers.....long ago shown to be not true.

Bush in charge of security at the WTC....again, long ago shown not to be true

No airplanes in PA or the Pentagon...long ago, shown that there were indeed planes in both locations.

Hijackers still alive...long ago shown that this Isn't true either...


And yet, every couple months, these come up from someone new as some sort of news flash. So it isnt an "awakening" its a shame that more people are believing everything they read on the internet.

You can't be serious, are you telling me that ALL of the Hijackers WERE alive and that Marvin Bush wasn't in charge of security of the WTC buildings?

Where do you have evidence to refute both these claims?


[edit on 21-8-2008 by Techsnow]

Like I said, why don't you provide some backing for that claim because I have much info that claims he did.

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Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar
Stop urinating on the graves of those who died for your entertainment. If you believe what you say, do something.

Why don't you stop urinating on the graves of those who died by spreading the lies of the media.

Why can't you be mature enough to look for the truth and stop being a media reobot?

You assume so much! I dont live in your country as I've already stated! Have i stated that the towers where brought down by explosives etc no! Im not coming out with any of the long list of theory's, My belief stems from the fact that on that day alot of security measures seemed to go out the window while every other day of the year they are fully intact, there are too many anomolies that happened on that day that causes me great concern, so yes I believe YOUR government simply let these attacks happen, I dont believe they had anything to do with the actual attacks, simply just let it happen for their own goals. In fairness there is alot strange things that went on in the weeks coming up to the attacks, i.e. Taking out a maximum anti-terror insurance on the towers a week or 2 before hand is strange is it not? If you did the research and actually looked at the actual facts not the theories you will find a large number of these indicate something was not right with the story that has been fed to you.

You have the belief that your government could have had nothing to do with these attacks, You must be so sure, to be sitting there on your high horse claiming people talk about this for entertainment only. Ignorance is bliss I say. Its not like your government has EVER had any part in the killing of innocent people before RIGHT!? I am not stating I have the answers but I do know that something was not right the day of the attacks, and if it was my fellow citizens that had died that day I would want to know why so my anomolies, But you obviously know the Truth so forgive me for my belief's. That is why you can post angry post's and sleep soundly at night! Right?
No doubts whatsoever? Amazing!

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
No sir, I was responding to you.

Can you please present one of these "non-profit" snake-oil salesmen that have presented any facts that shows the "inside job?"

Speak of moving goal posts, I talk about non-profit organizations and now you're asking for me to "present" non-profit organizations that show 9/11 was an inside job, which is a condition I can never fulfill simply because you don't think 9/11 was an inside job and you're probably never going to. Not necessarily because you're right, but because you'll bull-headed.

The goal post movement is a true statement and you know it.

You just did exactly what you are accusing me of. And I still have NO IDEA what goals I shifted in the very first post on this thread. Honestly I think you only post on these forums just to convince yourself you're still alive.

Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar
If you lack the initiative to take action on your convictions (3,000 innocents were murdered by their own government, and you believe in 'smoking gun evidence' to support this assertion) why bother posting on an internet forum? To what end? Why? For what purpose?

A lot of other people have already tried taking that route (filing lawsuits against government officials). Consider for a second that 9/11 was an inside job, Mr. "Above Par": do you really think lawsuits are going to expose anything in court? Do you have any idea how many exemptions (read: excuses) there are for what can be heard in court when you're dealing with "national security" and the military? Are you really naive enough to believe those things wouldn't be invoked? Sibel Edmonds' case was thrown out by John Ashcroft himself citing national security reasons.

My thought is, if you honestly believe in a giant conspiracy, and you believe there is obvious, smoking gun evidence, isn't it your civic duty to act on it?

The whole angle you're approaching me from is completely wrong, but aside from that I feel obligated to tell you No, I Don't feel it's my "civic duty" to cover everybody else's ass in this country. In the past two or three years I've come to despise our entire system of government and now I'm going to watch all the idiots that have collectively directly supported it and implicitly allowed it reap what they've sown. This country won't get anything it doesn't completely deserve.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
No sir, I was responding to you.

Can you please present one of these "non-profit" snake-oil salesmen that have presented any facts that shows the "inside job?"

Speak of moving goal posts, I talk about non-profit organizations and now you're asking for me to "present" non-profit organizations that show 9/11 was an inside job, which is a condition I can never fulfill simply because you don't think 9/11 was an inside job and you're probably never going to. Not necessarily because you're right, but because you'll bull-headed.

The goal post movement is a true statement and you know it.

You just did exactly what you are accusing me of. And I still have NO IDEA what goals I shifted in the very first post on this thread. Honestly I think you only post on these forums just to convince yourself you're still alive.

Bsbray,

I stated Goal post moving and offered several examples of how it happens. CT's get debunked with facts...the posted get shifted. You know this happens.

You state that there are several non-profit organizations that are coming out against the offical story. I asked you to name one that offers proof of a government conspiracy. So far, you have offered none.

Your title of this thread asks why there are more CT's. I gave you one reason.

You can blabber all you want about me posting in here to prove that I am alive. Nice. You (and many others here)don't like my posts because what I offer is what you and others are allegedly looking for:The TRUTH. I am sorry that the evidence squashes your fantasy.

Again, let me know when one of your not for profit websites offer some evidence. I will take my bull headedness right to it.

Originally posted by bsbray11
I was just wondering how people that believe the government and mass media account of 9/11 reconcile the fact that, since 9/11, rather than the conspiracy theories diminishing and being debunked, they've instead gained the support of non-profit organizations of scientists and engineers, professional airline pilots, etc. over the years.

The longer this information is around, the more support it gradually builds. Has Ryan Mackey came up with a cute theory for this yet, or are you guys still scratching your heads?

Well, it's a huge difference than say 5-6 years ago.. I started talking about govt. 9/11 complicity back then, and was roundly criticized and ridiculed for it; lost some friends too.

No one seems to be laughing now.

Why are there so many conspiracy researchers now? Simple! Years ago they, the government etc, would tell the odd lie and cover-up what they didn't want you or I to know about. For each of those lies they had to tell even more lies to make them look sincere and honest. And so you go on until you reach the point, which I believe we now find ourselves in, where it's easy to spot the untruths because they're coming so rapidly, and there's so many of them, that nobody knows whats real and whats fantasy anymore.
I honestly believe that thoughs in the know who peddle the nonsense which we are meant to accept as reality, don't know where the truth lies anymore. It might be a generational thing where those who create the lies and put together the cover-ups spend most of their time trying to keep secret the lies forced on us by their predecessors. . .
I ask, does anyone out there really know what reality is anymore? Once you accept that we are being lied to, and it's crystal clear that we are, all bets are off. 9/11 for instance. . . Is the cover-up to keep secret someones security gaff, or is it to keep the truth of the new world order under wraps? Take your pick. All we know for certain is lately, the last ten to twenty years or so, these lies have been produced in such a quantity that reality itself has taken one hell of a beating. You can't believe the governments lies and what some of the conspiracy researchers come up with is so bizarre that you can't take them seriously either. So what are you left with? The only good honest fact available is that there aint any good honest facts!

The pace and complexity of modern life and the inability of increasing numbers of people to cope with those pressures does strange things to their thought processes.

Let me put it this way, you'll find a direct correlation between the number of workplace shootings and the number of conspiracy theorists.

To answer the OP...


It's probably because there ARE more conspiracies now then there were 6 or 7 years ago. If you hadn't noticed, things are only getting worse!

Originally posted by Retseh
The pace and complexity of modern life and the inability of increasing numbers of people to cope with those pressures does strange things to their thought processes.

Let me put it this way, you'll find a direct correlation between the number of workplace shootings and the number of conspiracy theorists.

Its worse than that! As people slowly lose rationality and go on shooting sprees etc, the actual shootings become conspiratorial. The guy who holds the gun transforms from someone who simply lost control to a mind washed invisible assassin.