She should have to give the medals back, and as punishment she should be forced to sign a multimillion dollar advertising deal and tour the world, demonstrating her beautiful gymnastics.

It will teach her a valuable lesson. A very valuable lesson.

Badge01, the rules should be strictly followed. Did she not edge someone else out of the gold by some "arbitrary" rule that pushed her out of the tiebreaker? If the rule states something, then that is what should be followed. If the girl is 14, then her medal should be taken away. It's not like she can't do it again in 4 years, right?

Originally posted by xEphon
But what they didn't tell you is that she is really a MAN!
As are some members of the US Team...
...and Michael Phelps father is a dolphin.

Well her name is Ms He. So you are likely correct !!

Thing Im wondering is the title of this thread and the articles state PROOF that China lied.

Yet

If incontrovertible evidence that Ms He is underage were to come to light,

so it's still not undeniable proof, yet everyone is calling China out for it and saying the girl should hand back her medal and all sorts of things.

*IF* the IOC finds that they lied and has the proof to act on it, THEN all of the above. But people here are acting as if one guys cached articles found on the internet are all there needs to be in order to effectively ruin this girls future in the olympics.

Now don't get me wrong, it's not like we've not seen things like this before (Chinese female swimmers who looked like body builders, etc) so I would not honestly put it beyond reason.

Just making an observation, is all..


[edit on 8/21/2008 by bloodcircle]

Originally posted by LiquidMirage
However, the title of this thread is misleading in that light but ATS rules state the title of the article being posted is to be the title of the thread.

Is that so?

That's very interesting, as I've seen at least 2 titles edited by a MOD in the past, one because it contained a censored swear word as it appeared in the original article (logic used was it was a form of swear filter evasion) and another where the title of the article was "Chinese still flay animals alive" and was changed to "Some chinese still flay animals alive" with a "warning, graphic content" added.

Hmm. So given that I would say a precident has been set that the rule in question there, is not enforced?!



[edit on 8/21/2008 by bloodcircle]

Originally posted by nightmare_david

The opening ceremony featured some CGI fireworks. Nothing to really complain about, but it was really obvious to me when I was watching that.

The girl who was singing wasn't the actual singer. She was chosen because she was "prettier". That's just pathetic and a complete insult to the actual singer. If that was never found out, that little girl would be sitting at home doing nothing while the "prettier" girl would be soaking up all the glory for doing nothing but lip synching.

China has been lying and cheating any chance they get and it's all being ignored by the IOC.

Well, in my opinion the CGI fireworks and the miming have nothing to do with the IOC in terms of athletes or teams cheating.

I would think that the CGI fireworks and the singing were a part of the Presentation of the display for the opening ceremony. All that counts there is how well it is pulled off to those in charge. The whole world was watching.

I would consider it similar to a movie production team trying to make a movie look as good as they could.

Look at the movie 300, for instance. All the blokes had CGI Abs done post production.

Look at the movie King Arthur. Kiera Knightly's breasts were made to look larger in the US version of the Poster. (That is a crime btw, she is perfect IMO)

It's got little to do with how the actors act in the movie, just appearance post production.

Much like airbrushing a model for a magazine shoot doesn't affect the articles of interest in the magazine, nor does it negate the magazines overall reputation - if it has one to start with, lol.

Sure faking the fireworks is scammy and arrogant, and having the little girl who did the singing replaced due to her looks is an absolute insult... but neither should have any baring on the athletes. They should be considered on their own merits or lack of.

If it does turn out that they lied about her age, then as it is a rule, bring the hammer down. No questions asked.

And Im still not sure that the evidence here is proof undeniable. Definitely cause for investigation, but the posse here has already got the rope and mounted up!

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

But they broke the rules. Last night we saw an American 200m sprinter get DQ'd for stepping on the line, while an Antilles sprinter got away with it when he did it at the exact same time. .

Churandy MARTINA - the Antilles sprinter was also DQ'd

Moving Walter Dix up to win a Bronze for USA.

As usual.... another case of sour grapes.

Typical American mentality, if I can't win it nobody can. If someone else wins it, he/she must be cheating. The chinese have provided evidence but yet Americans are still crying foul. How ironic, the Americans are asking for evidence in this investigation but where's the evidence to justify the Iraq invasion? Oh I forgot, there won't be any evidence as there's none to present.

How dare you question the Americans for invading Iraq???? BUT we must question the Chinese eventhough they have presented their evidence. NONO... the evidence is only legit when the Americans say they are and we must ignore any evidence against their accusation.

Persistent questions about Chinese, but no proof

BEIJING (AP)—Despite persistent questions about the ages of several members of the Chinese women’s gymnastics team that won the gold medal, the International Olympic Committee said Friday there is still no proof anyone cheated and believes the controversy will be “put to rest.”

China has again given the governing body of gymnastics documents that show its athletes are eligible, and coach Lu Shanzhen said the girls’ families are “indignant” that the issue won’t go away.

Lu said the Chinese gave the FIG documents Thursday evening that included the current and former passport, ID card and family residence permit for double gold medalist He Kexin. Lu said the documents all say she was born in 1992, which makes her eligible to compete. Gymnasts must turn 16 at some point during the Olympic year in order to be eligible.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/gymnastics/news;_ylt=AlMclIFJGufQHmaoiGtS3EyPaJh4?slug=ap-gym-underagechinese&prov=ap&type=lgns]Link[/ur l]



[edit on 22-8-2008 by chinawhite]

Let her keep her gold. She proved that she was the best out there and that's all there is to it. Don't hurt the athlete who worked so hard and was most likely doing what she was told.