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August 21st: NIST report states WTC-7 "Did not collapse from explosives"

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posted on Aug, 25 2008 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by Soloist


I stated that because something hasn't happened before is not the ONLY reason to discount it. Yes, we see this posted time and again "It's never ever happened in the history of skyscrapers, blah blah". I call baloney on that line of thinking, as it is totally ignorant.

Again, just because something never happened, does NOT mean it can't or won't.


Okay, I give up. You win.

The planes took the buildings down, all three. Let me go on with my life. As long as I can believe in myths, I can continue to live as ignorant as possible.

No government holds secrets from it's citizen(only if it's for our benefit).

I'm sure you probably believe the gov. isn't holding back some new technology on us. "Oh no, they would never do that!!!"

This is boring conversation with boring people that live in a box.

We went from flying s@#t airplanes in 1903 to going to the moon in 1969 "you people" think technology just stopped. OH, my bad, cell phone, and video game technology's progression IS OFF THE HOOK DUDE!!!

Stay in your bubble. It's safe there. The government will protect you.





posted on Aug, 25 2008 @ 10:12 PM
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Yes there are more:

1st time 19 hijackers took over 4 planes in the same day

1st time 3 commercial airplanes were used as missiles to kill thousands of innocent people

1st time people were able to call their loved ones from a doomed plane to tell their families good-bye.

1st time two skyscrapers were hit by speeding airplanes intentionally.

1st time thousands of people were killed on American soil by a terrorist attack.

1st time NY firefighters lost over 300 brothers in one day.

1st time a group of passengers attempted to take over a hijacked plane. In failing to do so, still possibly saved the lives of hundreds if not thousands of others.

1st time a commercial plane crashed in Shanksville

I am quite certain I could go on with many more firsts....but......



posted on Aug, 25 2008 @ 10:13 PM
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But....


It was the LAST time these people saw their families:




Just keep spreading your filth.


[edit on 25-8-2008 by ThroatYogurt]



posted on Aug, 25 2008 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
1st time two skyscrapers were hit by speeding airplanes intentionally.

The first time that unidentified wreckage was used to identify alleged planes.

The first time that a President and his Vice President refused to testify under oath, refused to testify alone and refused transcripts of their testimony.

Honest and open government? People, this is the sort of BS that you're buying if you choose to believe the official cover-up.



posted on Aug, 25 2008 @ 10:24 PM
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Now that right there has to be one of the best posts I've ever seen on this forum.


If not the best.

Edit: And no I don't mean tezzajw, just to clarify

[edit on 25-8-2008 by Soloist]



posted on Aug, 25 2008 @ 10:25 PM
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Thanks, Soloist!!!

I knew my post was good, but not THAT good!

[edit on 25-8-2008 by tezzajw]



posted on Aug, 25 2008 @ 10:26 PM
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Whoops.

Hehe, you beat me to it!



posted on Aug, 25 2008 @ 10:27 PM
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Love the propaganda Mr. Throat.

Tried to get a collection of photos of the over 4000 dead american soldiers in Iraq. I just wasn't good enough.


It would be nice to get the "mastermind" behind 9/11. Was it Bin Laden? Because no one seems to give a s%^t about him any more. Could he be....dead????


[edit on 25-8-2008 by JimBeam]



posted on Aug, 25 2008 @ 10:33 PM
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ThroatYogurt's poster clearly shows why those people deserve a real investigation - not the cover up that we've been offered.

The NIST report is an estimate of what could have happened when enough variables were tweaked. Would any of those 3000 people be satisfied with a report that can't provide a definitive reason for why they died?



posted on Aug, 25 2008 @ 10:43 PM
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[edit on 25-8-2008 by ThroatYogurt]



posted on Aug, 25 2008 @ 10:50 PM
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I am 100% AGAINST the war in Iraq. I am 100% against Bush and his policies.

Seriously, ThroatYogurt - enough of the roll call. It's as bad as spam.

If you're 100% against Bush, then why do you indirectly support his 'evidence' given about 911? You believe the official story, despite the President not willing to put anything on record?



posted on Aug, 25 2008 @ 10:59 PM
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Never said I support anything Bush does. In FACT I have been very vocal regarding his failure to testify alone. (youtube: Bush Answers a Question)

As far as being under oath. Clinton and Gore both testified....without begin under oath.

The conclusion I came to is from a gathering of ALL the evidence. Because I agree with the facts does not make me loyal to that POS.



posted on Aug, 25 2008 @ 11:43 PM
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Well, that's great to hear but why so you support the "official story" of the 9/11 commission report???

I hope you realize that most of the people in this administration ARE proven liars, and it's getting worse for them.

Do you not realize that if just ONE high ranking official (or low ranking) in the US gov. knew what was going to happen that day points to inside job???? Forget about rigged buildings, no planes, holograms, pods underneath the plane, NORAD "no show", inside trading, 93 shot down, alive hijackers, pristine passports, titty bars, , CIT's fly over theory, Op. Northwoods, E.T. phoning home contacting Judy Woods who ends up flying a spaceship into outerspace to take control of the American space station which has a laser beam attached to it designed to destroy any steel structured building turning it to dust pointing it at WTC 1,2 and 7 then hitting a trigger which strikes the charges detonating a nukular explosion which set off a string of destruction which flattened WTC 1,2,7 which causes concrete powder 3 inches thick to cover all of NY.

Forget about all the "nonsense" and remember this... It's an inside job because there HAD to be at least one person in the US government that knew it was going to happen.

Do you want to know why huge operations like 9/11 succeed the way they do???? Because nobody need know what the other person is doing. It's called staying ignorant "I'm just doing my job" mentality. The more ignorant you are, the less likely you will suffer great consequences. This isn't just limited to government/cia/military sectors, this is what American society has adapted into their daily lives.

But I digress.

I can't and won't swallow this load of crap they are giving us, and you shouldn't either.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by Soloist
1? How about 8 official reports?


Too bad none of those 8 reports are official reports from the FBI. In case you did not know the FBI is the main investifgating agency for 9/11. The NTSB is just there for technical support.

Where are the official crime scene reports?

I am still waiting for official reports that match the parts found to the 9/11 planes.

Face you have failed again to show any official reports or physical evidence to support the official story.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Soloist
1? How about 8 official reports?


Too bad none of those 8 reports are official reports from the FBI. In case you did not know the FBI is the main investifgating agency for 9/11. The NTSB is just there for technical support.

Where are the official crime scene reports?

I am still waiting for official reports that match the parts found to the 9/11 planes.

Face you have failed again to show any official reports or physical evidence to support the official story.


Is anyone ever planning on releasing any 'official' reports?



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 02:20 AM
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Never!
Forget it, its not going to happened.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by cashlink
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Never!
Forget it, its not going to happened.



lol, sorry. let me rephrase that. i do not expect to ever see any, but has anyone from the FBI claimed to be releasing anything or finishing anything or anything anything?



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 08:48 AM
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If there was thermite used to cut the beams. There wouldn't be any sound of explosives because thermite is an incidneary and not an explosive. And it has already been proven that thermite was found in WTC 1 and 2 as well as WTC. Not only that but the molten metal would also indicated this. So I don't why people are still debating about things they are not proven. The facts are dust samples taken from several places. Scientific analysis was done on these samples. The chemical composition of thermite was found in each sample FEMA even supports this. Therefore thermite was present. Thermite shouldn't have been present. Thermite can melt stee. Steel got hot enough to melt so something was there to get hot enough to melt steel. 2+2=4. This is not difficult to understand.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 10:24 AM
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Seems many are ignoring what I posted....

Take a look at the information on the "fire panels" for all buildings...including the information sent to the monitoring co.'s etc.

If this information is available (have seen nothing so far), it's strange that so little info. is available. In fires this is the first thing to be looked at...kinda' like a black box on a plane.

Your Canadian friend,
Sven



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
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1-If there was thermite used to cut the beams. There wouldn't be any sound of explosives because thermite is an incidneary and not an explosive.

2-And it has already been proven that thermite was found in WTC 1 and 2 as well as WTC.

3-Not only that but the molten metal would also indicated this.

4-So I don't why people are still debating about things they are not proven.

5-The facts are dust samples taken from several places. Scientific analysis was done on these samples. The chemical composition of thermite was found in each sample FEMA even supports this.

6-Therefore thermite was present. Thermite shouldn't have been present.

7-Thermite can melt steel.

8-Steel got hot enough to melt so something was there to get hot enough to melt steel. 2+2=4. This is not difficult to understand.


1-Good to see that SOMEONE finally recognizes that explosives weren't used.


2-no it hasn't. The materials in thermite were present, but they are also present in the building materials used. So it's inconclusive. Quit lying.


3- First, tell me what metal was found (and if it was scientifically tested to verify what it was, since you like to include this specifier) what it's melting point is, tell me how hot the rubble fires were, then tell me if it's consistent.

4- like thermite.

5- see #2

6-it wasn't

7- yes it sure can

8- see #3



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