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August 21st: NIST report states WTC-7 "Did not collapse from explosives"

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posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by tezzajw

You do know the difference between area and volume, right? NIST doesn't, it happily converts m^3 in ft^2. If you can't see that, ThroatYogurt, then you're really wasting everyone's time here. Either that, or trolling for more replies to increase your post count, seeing as you started this thread.



tezzajw... i ignore you almost as much as you ignore evidence. It is very difficult to discuss things with you.

That being said

32 Kilograms per cubic meter were converted from the International Systems of Units (Metric System) to Customary Units. (what we use here in the States) and yes that does equal 6.4 pounds per square feet.

In fact these measurements represent density:


Density

Density is a measure of the mass of an object per unit volume; thus, it has units of mass divided by length cubed such as kilograms per cubic meter (kg/m3) or pounds per cubic foot (lbs/ft).



I don't understand your problem with this.

Yes I am trolling....by offering information for those that are seeking the truth.




posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 11:44 AM
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Professor Steven Jones tested samples from WTC and found traces of Thermate. NIST ignores this fact. They don't mention it their report OR anything about molten metal in the footprints of WTC 1, 2, 7. (FOR WEEKS AND WEEKS AFTER THE FACT) The man's career is over because he came forward with his findings.

So you have to ask a question. Why would he jeopardize his life and career? Would you spend almost 30 years in a profession and throw it away if you were 1000% sure of your conclusions?

This is one piece of the puzzle that is solved. Why is it that NIST is avoiding this? Because they couldn't gather any samples due to recovery efforts?

Almost all the steel was whisked away and shipped off to China to be melted down. If this had happened at the scene of a Homicide ALL KINDS OF RED FLAGS would be raised. Why doesn't that apply here?

We've now all had 7 years to digest 9/11. While some have given up and let go in the face of glaring evidence some hold fast to a belief that one day people will wake up and see what is truth.

I've followed this thread and there are some people that have made amazing points. These aren't narrow minded people with a lack or deliberate dereliction to reality. In fact these are caring people (the ones questioning the findings) that want to get to the truth WHICHEVER way that turns.

WTC 7 was a footnote in the 9/11 Commission Report, this latest finding by NIST is intended (from where I sit) to make people think all is well when nothing could be further from the truth.

From where I sit, there are people in this thread dedicated to preserving a deep rooted lie that most Americans believe a man in a cave pulled this off. If that's true. Consider the following:

Why did a independent investigation take so long? Why was so little money spend on it?

In regards to the above and NIST. If NIST had NO definitive time line for completing this report and showing their completed "Research," released yesterday, BUT the 9/11 commission had a time line to end their investigation without looking at ALL witnesses and evidence? See the glaring difference? Why was the commission rushed to their results?

Why was the steel removed from the scene of WTC 1,2,3 without the NYFD and others given proper access to it for documentation and testing? Was there something in there that some people didn't want to be found? (don't answer that yet)

How is it Mr. Silverstein was able to insure that complex in the summer of 2001 in record time when a policy of that complexity takes well over a year or more to finalize? This has been stated by people who create these insurance policies for a living. At the very least if WTC 7 is proved to be a Controlled Demolition then Mr Silverstein is guilty of insurance fraud. How many billions has he collected?

And while still concentrating on WTC 7. How far away from Towers 1 & 2 was WTC 7? They claim the fires at WTC 7 were caused from the towers falling. I'd be fine with that had the towers come straight down and not EJECTED steel beams weighing how much over 200+ feet away? Watch one of many videos of chunks of steel flying sideways. (So much for that pancake collapse ) Only one thing is capable of doing such a thing and projecting large amounts of steel and debre that far, and its called explosions; caused by DELIBERATE CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS.

POINT, GAME, SET, MATCH...



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Professor Steven Jones tested samples from WTC and found traces of Thermate. NIST ignores this fact. They don't mention it their report OR anything about molten metal in the footprints of WTC 1, 2, 7. (FOR WEEKS AND WEEKS AFTER THE FACT) The man's career is over because he came forward with his findings.


No, he found traces of materials that are in Thermite. These same materials are consistent in any office building.


So you have to ask a question. Why would he jeopardize his life and career? Would you spend almost 30 years in a profession and throw it away if you were 1000% sure of your conclusions?


He did jeopardize his career. Now he no longer works at BYU. His own peers rejected his claims.




Almost all the steel was whisked away and shipped off to China to be melted down. If this had happened at the scene of a Homicide ALL KINDS OF RED FLAGS would be raised. Why doesn't that apply here?


It is true that WTC7 steel was not used in the investigation. Red Flag? only to people like you. And most of it was NOT shipped off to China.




WTC 7 was a footnote in the 9/11 Commission Report, this latest finding by NIST is intended (from where I sit) to make people think all is well when nothing could be further from the truth.


No, NIST has made recommendation to the coummunity to ensure this does not happen again.


From where I sit, there are people in this thread dedicated to preserving a deep rooted lie that most Americans believe a man in a cave pulled this off. If that's true. Consider the following:


The man in the cave is well educated and well funded. He also has people willing to die for their beliefs. Sorry, but that is one scary combination.


Why did a independent investigation take so long? Why was so little money spend on it?


Most people think it was too quick. I believe it was the most expensive criminal investigation in history.


In regards to the above and NIST. If NIST had NO definitive time line for completing this report and showing their completed "Research," released yesterday, BUT the 9/11 commission had a time line to end their investigation without looking at ALL witnesses and evidence? See the glaring difference? Why was the commission rushed to their results?


Look at what the 911 Commission's goal was vs. the goal of NIST.


Why was the steel removed from the scene of WTC 1,2,3 without the NYFD and others given proper access to it for documentation and testing? Was there something in there that some people didn't want to be found? (don't answer that yet)


Google: Freshkill Landfill


How is it Mr. Silverstein ...


HE is one lucky Jew and we all know the Jews are part this. [/sarcasm]


Only one thing is capable of doing such a thing and projecting large amounts of steel and debre that far, and its called explosions; caused by DELIBERATE CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS.

POINT, GAME, SET, MATCH...


Please read:wtc.nist.gov...

Thank you

[edit on 22-8-2008 by ThroatYogurt]

[edit on 22-8-2008 by ThroatYogurt]



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:19 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.





Originally posted by ThroatYogurt

HE is one lucky Jew and we all know the Jes are part this. [/sarcasm]


Again, another attempt at muddying the water. Just adding "[/sarcasm]" to the end of it doesn't mean you weren't trying to intentionally cause the thread to drift away from the main topic, the way WT7 fell.

Peace


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:32 PM
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double





[edit on 22-8-2008 by ThroatYogurt]



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:32 PM
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HAHAHAHA ...

I am attempting to drift the thread??

Wake up Doctor! Mr. A brought up Silverstein spewing unclaimed accusations showing that insurance companies are now in on it.





[edit on 22-8-2008 by ThroatYogurt]



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:53 PM
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Surely if this thermal expansion theory were true they could reproduce the collapse in a lab with a scaled down model of wtc7? But we only get a computer model that shows the initiation of the collapse, and not the whole thing. Why do you think that is then?



link to gvid report on collapse of 7:
video.google.com...

Google Video Link



[edit on 22-8-2008 by Insolubrious]



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:56 PM
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Yet another video focusing on foreknowledge of "bringing down" wtc7.

www.youtube.com...

It is cool that the public presents as much or more evidence than the GOV/NIST. Maybe we should cut out the middle man and simply do their job ourselves.....



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:20 PM
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I have to say yogurt, you got one prediction right.

You said people would not accept the report even if it got finished.

I have to say, what would you expect if the theorized collapse was not the same as the actual collapse? I really want you to answer that question as honestly as you can.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:26 PM
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the same way that you for some reason, someone who has no experience in egineering can come in a say that a group of experts explanation is wrong simply because it doesn't fit into your pre conceived fantasy world.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:29 PM
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Hi JP ~

Can you please show in detail what is different. I don't want to comment on something I haven't seen.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:32 PM
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Yogurt, I am not going to jump on the bandwagon of people saying you are trying to drift this thread, quite the opposite, I like your well thought out replies, I find them challenging and pertinent to the topic at hand, however...

When you say Mr. Jones found chemicals that are found in Thermite, I believe you are incorrect, I watched Mr. Jones give his testimony on CSPAN and he clearly states he found the patented form of Thermite, Thermate. Now whether this is true or not, I am not sure, I just don't know of too many professionals willing to put their Job on the line to appease a buch of wackos!


peace and love



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:33 PM
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The building doesent collapse evenly in the NIST video.

Another anomaly I picked up on is in the last report the steel never reached over 600 degrees, in this new investigation it appears to reach 900 degrees.

Anyway, yes watch the video, the right side of the building (in reference to the video) collapses several seconds before the rest of the building. Not how I saw it.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:37 PM
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I am not even going to read the rest of your post, the only thing I am replying to is that you claim True Seekers can't possibly cope with the enormity of whats happened... I find that quite amusing, especially since, if what the govt claimed really happened, Its not enormous at all... That is the most lackluster scenario of them all... haha

Lets see, a couple of planes fly into a couple of buildings, the buildings fall due to damage and another does as well due to some new phenom... not that brilliant am I right?? The more brilliant of the scenarios would be the govt being in on it, planting explosives and then in rapid succession putting their plan into action by covering it all up, thats some movie $#!t right there.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by BelowGovtThumbs
reply to post by ThroatYogurt
 


I like your well thought out replies, I find them challenging and pertinent to the topic at hand, however...

When you say Mr. Jones found chemicals that are found in Thermite, I believe you are incorrect, I watched Mr. Jones give his testimony on CSPAN and he clearly states he found the patented form of Thermite, Thermate.
peace and love


Thank you BGT... Thermate causes an aluminothermic reaction between powdered aluminum and a metal oxide. The difference between thermite and thermate is additives that casue the reaction to be hotter. Sulfer and sometimes barium nitrate are these ingredients. Again, I believe these materials can be found in areas such as the world trade center.

Keep in mind, that this so called steel Dr. Jones claims to have did not go through the proper chain of command.

Please remember I am not claiming to be a know it all. I too am trying to learn here.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:45 PM
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OK folks... I watched in amazement as this so-called 'expert' scientist lied about how building 7 was brought down by office fires due to 'thermal expansion' difference between steel girders and concrete 'composite' flooring. I'm sorry, but this whole thing just reeked of a coverup! First off, they did not want to even consider demolition as a possible scenario even though it was a very plausible one. Then, when asked about analysis of the dust, they took away the microphone from the reporter from infowars.com...the lights actually went out during the first portion of the reporter's question! They never discussed the molten iron found in the wreckage nor did they discuss the free-fall speed of collapse or the symmetrical nature of the collapse. They had a clear objective: make up a theory based on something other than demolition and prove it with "Advanced Science and Computer Models". Ok, I've seen enough. I'm convinced that something is very very wrong - please watch this:
www.youtube.com...



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:46 PM
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JP... I believe they are showing the initial columns collapsing. Then the "shell".

Let me look at it a few more times.

Thanks !



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:47 PM
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ok so we know the building was pulled...



i dont know how long it takes to set up charges to bring a building like that down,but i would think it would take a while....



notice how all the building were pulled?



hmm


justice incoming soon

make it happen



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by BelowGovtThumbs
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Lets see, a couple of planes fly into a couple of buildings, the buildings fall due to damage and another does as well due to some new phenom... not that brilliant am I right??


Thermal expansion is not new. Having it cause a skyscraper collapse however is.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
First off, they did not want to even consider demolition as a possible scenario even though it was a very plausible one.

Then, when asked about analysis of the dust, they took away the microphone from the reporter from infowars.com...the lights actually went out during the first portion of the reporter's question!


You didn't pay attention. It was considered. I suggest you read the detailed report.

In regards to Alex Jones bloated buddy with the laptop...The rules were clearly stated at the beginning of the press conference.
"ONE QUESTION,THEN A FOLLOW UP IF NEEDED."

The dude went on and on. He went on a rant, asked many questions and told NIST that they should be embarassed. He was NOT interested in answers. Watch it again and listen to him.




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