Your Privacy On ATS Is Now Certified by TRUSTe, page 4
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reply posted on 22-8-2008 @ 02:16 PM by DocMoreau
I hope that you do not rely on TRUSTe to pat you all on the back regarding the privacy of all the members of ATS. Hopefully you all will work just as hard to keep our privacy completely safe here at ATS, regardless of who it is that is certifying the work.
DocMoreau

en.wikipedia.org...
A survey conducted by Benjamin Edelman in January 2006 found that sites with TRUSTe certification were 50% more likely to violate privacy policies than uncertified sites.[7]
TRUSTe counters these charges with the argument that punishing “bad guys” and terminating rule breakers does not further TRUSTe’s mission of increasing trust between businesses and consumers. To accomplish that mission, TRUSTe works with companies to change business practices for the benefit of consumers.


Who is Benjamin Edelman?

cyber.law.harvard.edu...
Ben is a Ph.D. candidate at the Department of Economics at Harvard University and a student at the Harvard Law School. He previously studied economics and statistics as a student at Harvard College.

Ben's recent research agenda includes evaluation of registrations in new TLDs, a quantitative comparison of commercial and non-commercial uses of the Internet, and an examination of Internet filtering efforts by governments worldwide.

When at the Berkman Center, Ben's projects included analyzing the formative documents and continued activities of ICANN, running Berkman Center webcasts, and developing software tools for real-time use in meetings, classes, and special events. Ben previously oversaw ICANN Public Meeting webcasts and operated the technology used at ICANN's quarterly meetings. More recently, he wrote about domain name politics, particularly in the context of expired domain names subsequently used for pornography and registered with false WHOIS data.

Ben has served as a consulting and testifying expert for a variety of clients, including the ACLU, the National Association of Broadcasters, the National Football League, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and Wells Fargo.


www.aclu.org...

Ben Edelman is a student at Harvard and a researcher at its Berkman Center for Internet & Society, where he studies and writes about the Internet, its design, and its uses. He served as an expert witness on blocking programs in the ACLU's challenge to the Children's Internet Protection Act, a federal statute requiring the use of such programs in public libraries. He would like to continue his research on N2H2, but cannot proceed further without being able to access and examine its full list of blocked sites. To do this he will have to "reverse engineer" N2H2's program to figure out what security measures are preventing him from reviewing the list. With that information he can create a software tool to "circumvent" those measures and create a readable version of the list for review. He then wants to publish the block list, the circumvention tool that he used to get the list, and the results of his analysis of the list. Given the increasing role of blocking programs as an official means of censoring use of the Internet, the kind of research Ben does is an important means for citizens to monitor the software and its potential for abuse.



reply posted on 22-8-2008 @ 02:23 PM by SkepticOverlord
Originally posted by DocMoreau
I hope that you do not rely on TRUSTe to...


His nearly two year old 2006 report is
here

As you can tell from his actual report, there appears to be some level of fundamental misunderstanding as to what TRUSTe offers, it does not certify that sites are "safe," it certifies that sites have policies, business practices, and privacy policies that protect user privacy.

Also, none of the sites he listed in his report are currently certified by TRUSTe... as far I can tell.


In our case, we decided to "put our money where our mouth is," and ensure that our privacy policies and business practices had a third-party confirmation. Additionally, TRUSTe provides mediation services for anyone who feels their privacy was violated via ATS.



reply posted on 22-8-2008 @ 05:08 PM by AcesInTheHole
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



Ok I see your totally ignoring my questions. I guess I will conform to the masses.

Generic "good work" comment and pats on the back all around.




reply posted on 23-8-2008 @ 10:42 AM by whatukno
reply to post by Sanity Lost



Well they didnt untill that post



reply posted on 25-8-2008 @ 10:04 AM by justyc
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



oh sorry - i missed that. was the outbox area more damaged then?


reply posted on 25-8-2008 @ 11:47 PM by daystrom
Hi SkepticOverlord/Bill,

I followed my u2u here, just read the updated Privacy Policy, and this thread. Thanks for keeping us up to date!

So, my friend, I'm having a problem with the word "share". You used it in the updated Privacy Policy and you said it again here in this thread. In my mind "will never be shared" does not equal "will never be sold".

Of course you won't just give the stuff away, but would you or can you sell it? As I read the new Privacy Policy the selling of e-mail addresses seems to be o.k., selling is not sharing or giving. Would you be willing to re-write the Privacy Policy to make it crystal clear that personal information will not be sold?

You do state in the new Privacy Policy that you do "share" demographic data with advertisers. I'm also having a hard time with that as I read that instance of the word "share" as "sell" as I cannot see you simply giving away for free valuable demographic data. (If you are freely giving away valuable demographic data then please sir, may I have that data too?)

Also, (and I'm probably the only person who feels this way) my demographic data is more personal and private to me than my "personal" data. I would much rather just give my e-mail address to the advertisers and deal with them that way than to have my ATS pages lag or lock up entirely because of targeted third party advertisements.

I am sorry SkepticOverlord/Bill, if I had not received the u2u then I would not be here commenting. But you asked for our comments. The word "share" is ambiguous to me, and my demographic data is more personal and private to me than my "personal" and "private" data is.

Those are my two comments.

Demographics are what make the modern world go around, I know there is nothing we can do about that.
Is there anything we can do about that word "share"?

Thanks!
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