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White House missing up to 225 days of e-mail

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posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 05:29 AM
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White House missing up to 225 days of e-mail


www.msnbc.msn.com

WASHINGTON - The White House is missing as many as 225 days of e-mail dating back to 2003 and there is little if any likelihood a recovery effort will be completed by the time the Bush administration leaves office, according to an internal White House draft document obtained by The Associated Press.

The nine-page outline of the White House's e-mail problems invites companies to bid on a project to recover the missing electronic messages.

The work would be carried out through April 19, 2009, according to the Office of Administration request for contractors' proposals, which was dated June 20.
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posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 05:29 AM
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Is anyone really surprised by this??

Those missing e-mail's could put people in prison, so they got rid of them.
OOOOPS..so sorry.. we can't find those incriminating e-mail's and as we are the White House, we can't comment about this.

What a load of crap. You wonder why people like myself simply do not trust the government. When the e-mail's finally are found, if ever, the key players are gone, never to be held accountable for their actions.

Another sad chapter in the twilight of this administration.


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[edit on 21/8/2008 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 05:42 AM
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Did they check the spam folder?
Anyhoo....yah probably some things that they dont want curious eyes too look at.Is this the private white house email or the public one we can all email?



posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 05:54 AM
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Funny. Do you ever feel like you're an extra in a parody of life? I do.


I haven't been hearing much about checks and balances lately. Maybe Obama should start talking about that more? He certainly has many shiny examples of the lack of.



posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 05:58 AM
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well, considering that even if they deleted them the most likely would still be retained on the hard drive, a hard drive recovery tool could be implemented. This would cost about $60 for the tool, per machine. The can be found.

Camain



posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by camain
well, considering that even if they deleted them the most likely would still be retained on the hard drive, a hard drive recovery tool could be implemented. This would cost about $60 for the tool, per machine. The can be found.

Camain


I'm sure there's some realy smart geeks and special agents in the white house who are verry capable of deleting ALL the traces.



posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 06:08 AM
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That would be if they really wanted to recover them. I of course don't know all the why and how's but, my guess would be something a little different than what was lost will be recovered if it makes anyone that fled extradition or the like look bad.
A job for a haliburton subsidiary no doubt.
This is a conspiracy site after all



posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 06:11 AM
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there is always a trial. from the outbox on other computers, to the digital trail created on the mail server. They can reconstruct this.



posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 06:12 AM
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"Is anyone really surprised by this??
Those missing e-mail's could put people in prison, so they got rid of them."

Buddy, they would not send anything that could put them in prison, through an unsecured email.

They have extremely secure high quality military encryption systems that NO person can decrypt.
Most of this email would be junk.98% of it is probably Viagra ads.



posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 06:17 AM
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How is this news? Or maybe im missing something ?

Didn't this happen a couple years ago? or is this a SECOND time the incompetent Bush administration has lost those darn emails?


Btw...... I don't have emails from last week let alone 1-3 years ago.. Are they supposed to save these? And if so do all the idiots in the white house know this?

Maybe they deleted them because they didn't know.. (Not likely i know.. But mehh Seeing that bush is a idiot it could be the reason... )

Lol..... And another thing.... Bush has already pardoned himself for his crimes. Why does he need to delete anything?





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posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 06:21 AM
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You can recover a lot of this at sector level. But it will never be allowed.
And even if it happens why would you even think this would be
released to the public?

Emails are very small in bytes, sectors on HD's are large enough to contain a lot of this even if its formatted.

Hard to explain but if you got a 4 meg sector and a 5kb email its plausable most of it is still there. Best I can explain.



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posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by Interestinggg

"Buddy, they would not send anything that could put them in prison, through an unsecured email.
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I'm not sure about that. People who think they have an inside track get over confident and sloppy. People might not use the supercrypto channel to chat with their girlfriend. I seriously doubt anything will come of it one way or another but pros can put together quite an accurate story from 'junk'. Especially when they have a strong suspicion.



posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 06:31 AM
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When you delete a document it really only removes the index from the disk FAT so that the data that the index pointed to can be re-used. If its been a few years since the emails went missing the blocks of data that originally held the email would have been written over many many times and would make them unrecoverable.



posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by Interestinggg
"Is anyone really surprised by this??
Those missing e-mail's could put people in prison, so they got rid of them."

Buddy, they would not send anything that could put them in prison, through an unsecured email.

They have extremely secure high quality military encryption systems that NO person can decrypt.
Most of this email would be junk.98% of it is probably Viagra ads.


Hey Interestinggg, how u doin??

yes, I understand the levels of encryption that they must use to keep thing secure. But I'm also aware that every one in the White House has political enemies for one thing or another.
These people give a tip to a friend who works at NSA, they break the encryption leak the content, and so on and so on.

With today's code breakers and data recovery programs that will never be made public, I'd say they are sh*ting their pants about this, to some degree.

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JSR

posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 06:56 AM
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i followed the link and the article did not have in the headline "hear is a real shocker."



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edit to fix quote. my apologies. it should read, "Here's a real shocker".

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posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 07:15 AM
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My apologies to the headline police.

Thought that adding the first words to the title were within guidelines of editorial latitude.

And just for the record, it was "Here's a real shocker".

Have a nice day.



posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 07:24 AM
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I don't get how this is a "shocker."
I mean, read the link.


"A backup system isn't designed to be a 100 percent complete inventory of all e-mails," says William P. Lyons, chairman and chief executive of AXS-One, a provider of records compliance management solutions.

"It's designed to make a copy of data at a specific point-in-time," said Lyons. "Data is backed up on a daily, weekly and monthly basis as part of a disaster recovery strategy, to ensure to protect the organization from data loss."

The White House draft document says that the number of days of missing e-mail ranges from 25 to 225, a range that industry experts say would make it difficult to bid on a recovery project.


It doesn't back up every day, does it? What exactly is backed up? Any idea how this works?



posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 07:46 AM
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Regardless of editorial liberties taken, returning to the OP.

In networking systems, regardless of the emails storage on the local hard drive, the data transmitted to that machine is ALL available for recovery and analysis, just ask the NSA. Traffic transmitted over the network, even a secured one, is completely recoverable, and some theorize, completely stored, covertly, by the inconceivably robust capacity of the intelligence communities' various interception systems.

E-mails DON'T get erased, they get moved. From one storage location to another. Each move is subject to network auditing, so it's disposition can be determined. The idea that these emails are 'missing' is a meme that is being imposed on the public so as to protect their a)blatant incompetence, or b) willful cooperation to deprive the American public of it's rightful property - those emails are 'ours' not theirs. Backups aside, this will end badly, if the administration and their IT minions think they can squirm out of their responsibility. There is a law regarding retention of documents, and suddenly they want to make it seem like, a glitch can free them of liability they are paid to foresee, and overcome, as a matter of course. Pathetic.



posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 08:20 AM
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History has shown that in most cases, new administrations are unwilling to pick up the sword to investigate the wrong-doing of the previous one, even if they are of different parties. I hope that the next administration will continue to persue recovery operations.


JSR

posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 08:20 AM
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ok then.
as long as everyone agrees with the context of the "editorial latitude" being taken, then i suppose i have no beef here.

im sorry.

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although i can see why people want to know what was in every email generated, i dont agree that email ( a basic communication somtimes ) between staff should be public domain anyway.

unless, there is already a case or investigation ongoing that may require the contents of the emails. there is no case, that i know of, that would require this. i could be wrong about that though.

but to search through email to find reason to begin a case is not IMO a good idea.

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after re-reading the article, i do see in fact there is an investigation ongoing.



the Abu Ghraib prison scandal and the criminal probe into the disclosure that Valerie Plame had worked for the CIA.


I thought that that was finished though. oh well.

like an earlier poster stated, it is unlikely that the barak admini...oops, I mean the next administration will peruse this further.


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