There will be NO Nuclear War, page
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Topic started on 21-8-2008 @ 03:29 AM by expatwhite
Every day there seems to be more doom and gloom on this site with people speculating about a nuclear exchange. For gods sake people, they might be incompetant halfwits but the powers that be are not completely insane. We seem to have the board split in 2 with half pro USA and half very anti USA and the vitriol is building completely unneccessarily.

We lived through much much worse during the cold war and tensions were a LOT higher than they are now, its just that after a few years of peaceful relations between the eagle and the bear everyone seems to have forgotten how bad it was. When kids start getting taught duck and cover in classrooms again then maybe we should have cause for concern.

Its nothing at all to do with any NWO or any NEOCON conspiracy or anything else other than a temporary cooling of diplomatic relations. This happens all the time,its just this time round its USA and Russia. Couple of months ago it was china, before that it was Britain and Iran, before that it was someone else..its an endless cycle.Putin and BUSH will not wipe out the entire earth (which a nuclear war would) over this. Its just not going to happen. How many times have i read on here that the USA will definatley be at war with Iran this time next month? Hasnt happened yet has it. Or with China over Taiwan..hasnt happened yet...

Forget the doom and gloom and quit worrying over events which you have no control over. Its a flash in the pan that will blow over shortly when the next crisis pops up somewhere else.

And if im wrong and they both launch at each other? Well no one will be around to gloat and say "i told you so"

Chill out, calm down and share the love people, life is too short as it is


reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 04:33 AM by neformore
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Expat -You must have been on the same wavelength as me last night because I was going to post exactly the same thing.

Anyone under the age of 25 never really experienced the Cold War, or was old enough to understand it at the time.

Those of us who are older remember some really bad times, like when martial law was declared in Poland and everyone thought the Soviets would invade, or the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, or the whole Angola issue, or newspapers running front page diagrams of what damage a nuke airburst could do to a city, or the need for films like Threads and The Day After to ram home to people exactly what the consequences of such things are.

Back then Russian bombers that WERE loaded with nukes would be testing Western defences, and US/NATO planes would be doing the same to them.

The tension in the air during the early 80's and Reagans first Presedential Office was so thick you could almost taste it.

People older than me will remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, and Korea, and duck and cover/protect and survive drills and adverts on the TV, and the air-attack warning sirens being tested weekly.

Believe me when I say that the past 20 years have been extremely peaceful, and quiet, and that what you have experienced over the past week or so is nothing - and I really do mean nothing, compared to how things used to be.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



[edit on 21/0808/08 by neformore]



reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 06:45 AM by Freeborn
Yeah, got to agree.

I have posted just as much in a couple of threads here on ATS recently.
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NATO etc, Russia and China all know just how far to push each other.
They are all old hands at this game and have been playing it for a while.
The people who really have the influence will not allow it to happen.
The M.A.D. scenario is still relevant.

The only destabilizing or unpredictable arena maybe the M.E.
Future developments in Pakistan will be interesting.

Well said.


reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 07:09 AM by jtma508
reply to post by Breifne



Yes, the weapons have been around for some 60+ years and other than during WW2 they have NOT been used. And to be sure, back in the 50's-60's the weapons were very much larger (to make up for less sophisticated targeting technology).

As has been pointed out above, the 'players' all know the consequences of a nuclear exchange. They all know that no matter who 'wins', they will lose. And lose BIG. Every major country will have its infrastructure and industry virtually wiped-out. Each will have an unimaginable number of people homeless, sick and injured for whom they must care and without the means to do so. There will be very little difference between the 'winner' and thye 'loser'. They ALL know this. We publish our nuclear doctrine on a regular basis. You can read it yourself (if you dare). No secrets. Every country knows what our response will be if attacked and the process is automatic. No country will risk that.

Is it possible that some rogue entity will gain access to nuclear weapons and detonate one on American soil? Sure. But as devastating as that event would be it is far, far less than an all-out nuclear exchange. It would be largely local and we would recover.

Like expat, I've found that alot of posters on this site almost seem excited by the prospect of a Russian-US conflict. What these youngsters don't seem to understand is the crippling economic cost of another Cold War. The former USSR collapsed under the weight of the arms race that the Cold War created. The Russians, sensing our current over-extension in the Middle East (way to go BushCo... you guys are geniuses!), are basically using a play out of our own playbook to further cripple our economy. We've been weakened internationally and economically and now the Russians are using that to re-establish their world position.

But there is a silver lining... all the arms manufacturers are going to get even richer. We all should be happy for them.


reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 07:54 AM by Now_Then
Originally posted by jtma508
reply to
post by Breifne


But there is a silver lining... all the arms manufacturers are going to get even richer. We all should be happy for them.


Oh you

But it is the case that with all the proliferation of these weapons, any number could of 'slipped through the cracks', just like an accountant may smudge the numbers a little.

And with all the will in the world you could never account for people or peoples who would desire the use of these things - surprising the world with one random detonation would change everything, and we are already in a climate of fear for the masses. Sorry if that is a little emotional and/or alarmist.
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