Maybe you have a link to your source?
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Topic started on 20-8-2008 @ 06:32 PM by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
I keep hearing the media tell us of the 4000 plus US military killed in the War on Terror. I also hear about how much better it was with Clinton in
office. Here are some facts.
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Lets use this thread to shoot down the left wingers lies and propaganda with facts.
[edit on 21-8-2008 by Crakeur]
Military Losses, 1980 thru 2007
Whatever your politics, however you lean, and however you feel about the current administration, this report should open some eyes. Military losses, 1980 through 2007.
The annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2007 - by any cause.
1980 ......... 2,392 ( Carter Year )
1981 .......... 2,380 ( Reagan Year)
1984 .......... 1,999 ( Reagan Year)
1988 .......... 1,819 ( Reagan Year)
1989 .......... 1,636 ( George H W Year )
1990 ......... 1,508 ( George H W Year )
1991 .......... 1,787 ( George H W Year )
1992 .......... 1,293 ( George H W Year )
1993 ...........1,213 ( Clinton Year)
1994 .......... 1,075 ( Clinton Year)
1995 .......... 2,465 ( Clinton Year)
1996 ......... 2,318 ( Clinton Year)
1997 .......... 817 ( Clinton Year)
1998 .......... 2,252 ( Clinton Year)
1999 .......... 1,984 ( Clinton Year)
2000 ...........1,983 ( Clinton Year)
2001 ............. 890( George W Year )
2002 ........... 1,007 ( George W Year )
2003 ........... 1,410 ( George W Year )
2004 .......... 1,887 ( George W Year )
2005 ............. 919 ( George W Year )
2006.............. 920 ( George W Year )
2007.............. 899 ( George W Year )
Clinton years (1993-2000): 14,107 deaths
George W years (2001-2007): 7,932 deaths
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Lets use this thread to shoot down the left wingers lies and propaganda with facts.
[edit on 21-8-2008 by Crakeur]
reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 06:54 PM by benevolent tyrant
Originally posted by Bluess
Maybe you have a link to your source?
While I am not entirely certain as to the source used to ascertain the statistics in the OP, such data is readily obtained.
For instance, you might consider studying the statistics supplied by this source:
CRS Report for Congress This report offers a rather extensive listing of US Military deaths (combat and otherwise).
reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 07:50 PM by Hal9000
reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
OK, but let’s do this again using your source with military casualties due to hostile action.
From Table 5, on Page 11.
1980 .......... 0 ( Carter Year )
1981 .......... 0 ( Reagan Year)
1982 .......... 0 ( Reagan Year)
1983 .......... 18 ( Reagan Year)
1984 .......... 1 ( Reagan Year)
1985 .......... 0 ( Reagan Year)
1986 .......... 2 ( Reagan Year)
1987 .......... 37 ( Reagan Year)
1988 .......... 0 ( Reagan Year)
1989 .......... 23 ( George H W Year )
1990 .......... 0 ( George H W Year )
1991 .......... 147 ( George H W Year )
1992 .......... 0 ( George H W Year )
1993 ...........0 ( Clinton Year)
1994 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
1995 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
1996 .......... 1 ( Clinton Year)
1997 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
1998 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
1999 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
2000 ...........0 ( Clinton Year)
2001 .......... 3 ( George W Year )
2002 .......... 18 ( George W Year )
2003 .......... 343 ( George W Year )
2004 .......... 739 ( George W Year )
2005 .......... 739 ( George W Year )
2006 .......... 761 ( George W Year )
2007 .......... Not Listed
Clinton years (1993-2000): 1 death
George W years (2001-2006): 2,603 deaths
There’s a big difference. The number you posted included other causes and most were due to accidents, which were reduced over the years. Other deaths include homicide, suicide, and terrorism. Why didn't you mention that?
Actually, I expected more in 1993 from the Battle of Mogadishu, but I guess that was considered a terrorist attack.
If you are going to use the number of deaths of American soldiers for political reasons, at least try to get your numbers right.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
OK, but let’s do this again using your source with military casualties due to hostile action.
From Table 5, on Page 11.
1980 .......... 0 ( Carter Year )
1981 .......... 0 ( Reagan Year)
1982 .......... 0 ( Reagan Year)
1983 .......... 18 ( Reagan Year)
1984 .......... 1 ( Reagan Year)
1985 .......... 0 ( Reagan Year)
1986 .......... 2 ( Reagan Year)
1987 .......... 37 ( Reagan Year)
1988 .......... 0 ( Reagan Year)
1989 .......... 23 ( George H W Year )
1990 .......... 0 ( George H W Year )
1991 .......... 147 ( George H W Year )
1992 .......... 0 ( George H W Year )
1993 ...........0 ( Clinton Year)
1994 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
1995 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
1996 .......... 1 ( Clinton Year)
1997 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
1998 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
1999 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
2000 ...........0 ( Clinton Year)
2001 .......... 3 ( George W Year )
2002 .......... 18 ( George W Year )
2003 .......... 343 ( George W Year )
2004 .......... 739 ( George W Year )
2005 .......... 739 ( George W Year )
2006 .......... 761 ( George W Year )
2007 .......... Not Listed
Clinton years (1993-2000): 1 death
George W years (2001-2006): 2,603 deaths
There’s a big difference. The number you posted included other causes and most were due to accidents, which were reduced over the years. Other deaths include homicide, suicide, and terrorism. Why didn't you mention that?
Actually, I expected more in 1993 from the Battle of Mogadishu, but I guess that was considered a terrorist attack.
If you are going to use the number of deaths of American soldiers for political reasons, at least try to get your numbers right.
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 07:53 PM by DMTeed
reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
LOL, who in the hell would defend George Bush!!! LOL
Lets look at the bigger picture!!!!!!!!!
LOL, who in the hell would defend George Bush!!! LOL
Lets look at the bigger picture!!!!!!!!!
reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 08:44 PM by harvib
reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
I’m confused by your data that you listed. In the source you provided looking at the table of deaths by year it shows different numbers then you show for some of the years you listed. For example in 1995 you have listed 2,465 according to your source it shows 1,040. In fact there are several years that you seem to have inflated numbers for. What am I missing???
Here are the correct stats using your source
[edit on 21-8-2008 by harvib]
1993 ...........1,213 ( Clinton Year)
1994 .......... 1,075 ( Clinton Year)
1995 .......... 2,465 ( Clinton Year)
1996 ......... 2,318 ( Clinton Year)
1997 .......... 817 ( Clinton Year)
1998 .......... 2,252 ( Clinton Year)
1999 .......... 1,984 ( Clinton Year)
2000 ...........1,983 ( Clinton Year)
I’m confused by your data that you listed. In the source you provided looking at the table of deaths by year it shows different numbers then you show for some of the years you listed. For example in 1995 you have listed 2,465 according to your source it shows 1,040. In fact there are several years that you seem to have inflated numbers for. What am I missing???
Here are the correct stats using your source
Year Total Deaths
1993... 1,213
1994... 1,075
1995... 1,040
1996... 974
1997... 817
1998... 827
1999... 796
2000... 758
2001... 891
[edit on 21-8-2008 by harvib]
reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 08:56 PM by Hal9000
reply to post by harvib
Good catch. I didn't notice that myself. His numbers aren't right even for all military deaths.
Your numbers are right except for
1996 which should be 974, not 1974, and
2001, which should be 891 not 1891.
You should still have time to fix that.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Good catch. I didn't notice that myself. His numbers aren't right even for all military deaths.
Your numbers are right except for
1996 which should be 974, not 1974, and
2001, which should be 891 not 1891.
You should still have time to fix that.
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 09:10 PM by EvilBat
reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
Might just want to re-read that source
as others pointed out the numbers are not correct
call me a bush basher or left wing if you want
but reading that looks like clinton
years were better
Might just want to re-read that source
as others pointed out the numbers are not correct
call me a bush basher or left wing if you want
but reading that looks like clinton
years were better
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