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Originally posted by Pro-genetic
Im European and id love to know why people always give America a bad time, she has a job to do and she is doing it well!
Just tell me who would you offer up to replace her as the foremost power in the world?
Just be glad that the power in charge shares the same values as you.
Originally posted by SectionEight
Originally posted by Truther
Wow, i wonder what there non diplomic action will be? Maybe an assault on tbilisi, Who knows. Even better again they might pop a nuclear missle up Bush's A hole.. lets wait and see..
So do you really want to see the US nuked or is it just satisfying to type Bush's name on a forum to make you cool amongst all the Bush haters?
Originally posted by pluckynoonez
Originally posted by Pro-genetic
Im European and id love to know why people always give America a bad time, she has a job to do and she is doing it well!
Just tell me who would you offer up to replace her as the foremost power in the world?
Just be glad that the power in charge shares the same values as you.
Ahem, where do I start? Here's a doozy, a visual representation (the NYT's coverage of the atrocities in East Timor, which we, the States, are responsible for:
Originally posted by Blaine91555
Sorry, Georgia's borders are recognized by the UN and NATO. South Ossetia is inside of Georgia. Russia simply declared the insurgents Russian's so they could invade.
It is about oil, natural gas and Putin's desire to reconstitute the old Soviet Union.
My opinion? Putin knows we are getting close to winning in Iraq and pulling out; so he picked now to invade another country while we are compromised and he knows the rest of the world won't do much to stop him. He will get away with it too.
He threatened to nuke Poland! I'm sure he deserves the worlds adoration for that.
Those missiles pose no threat to Russia and are only useful to protect against missiles from Iran and other Terrorist States.
Russia has been lying since day one. Do you see them withdrawing? No! Even when the whole thing is on film for the world to see, they lie with impunity. The old Russia is back folks.
Originally posted by Blaine91555
The missiles in Poland are no threat whatsoever to Russia.
This is just what Putin chose as an excuse to occupy a Democracy with a leader elected by a 95% majority.
Not one inch of Georgian land belongs to Russia. Russia has invaded a sovereign nation and people are making excuses for them?
Putin is an ex-KGB monster and he appears to want the old "Evil Empire" to return.
One of my fears is that young people, who have been taught rewritten history, will make bad decisions and not understand the beast behind this Russian aggression.
This is the real deal folks. Russia is Empire Building again.
Originally posted by drock905
I really do not see how this missile shield is a threat at all to Russia. It was designed to shot down ICBMs launched by accident or from a "rogue state". It is not designed to shot down a full scale nuclear launch, thats pretty impossible.
If Russin launches a nuke, it not going be 1 or 2 or 7 missiles. Its going to be a huge amount. What would be the point of not using them all? Once you launch one you might as well fire them all, it wont matter anymore.
I just dont see the logic...... ?????????
Originally posted by Blaine91555
You must be very young and have had terrible teachers in history. There were no "freedom fighters". Only citizens defending themselves against a takeover by the Vietcong.
The Vietcong were a communist insurgency attempting to take over Vietnam by force.
We were fighting on the side of the Vietnamese to prevent a communist takeover.
Calling them "freedom fighters" is a bald faced lie. The Vietcong were a monstrous bunch. We were honoring our treaty to protect the Vietnamese citizens.
The Vietnam War was a mistake, but that does not justify rewriting history and lying about what occurred. The worst thing we did was pulling out and allowing the Vietcong to butcher millions.
Originally posted by spacebot
There is a rumor circulating that when Putin was rising to power he and his cohorts played nice with the alleged 5 oligarch ruling families in post soviet Russia that all according to the rumors were of a jewish origin and were instrumental in controling much of that nations wealth.
Originally posted by spacebot
When he achieved the Presidents position he allegedly took measures to strip those people from their wealth or powers, enabling the state to get a hold on those resources.
Originally posted by spacebot
The rumor explains that these families or centers were also influential for political decisions of the former USSR.
Originally posted by spacebot
I am asking because I am interested to learn if the moves of both the former USSR policies and the US were pre-designed and pre-orchestrated from some mutualy aligned ruling oligarchs.
Originally posted by spacebot
If that was indeed the case then, we should not expect Russia to behave like the old USSR at all, at least not in their limits of aggressiveness in the future.
Originally posted by spacebot
We don't really know how much far they have gone or plan to go in means of deployable technology and or to which extend they have redesigned their dogmas, if a "limiting" factor that used to exist and supposedly was hindering their abilities is now long gone.
Originally posted by Blaine91555
That fear was justified and lets not forget where the Vietcong got all their weapons and money. We were there for the right reasons, it was the leaders who bastardized it into the mess it became.
Be careful not to mislead people into thinking the "Communism" you mention here had anything to do with the dictionary definition. This was a proxy war that had to do with way more than what was apparent on the surface. There was nothing truly communistic (?) about what was being called Communism in this case.
As I type, Russian Troops are entrenched 30 miles from the Georgian Capitol. They have told lie after lie after lie over the last few days.
They are destroying infrastructure and taking the war to civilians. How can anyone defend their actions??????
The Congo is the world's largest producer of cobalt (as ore)[8], and a major producer of copper and industrial diamonds. It has significant deposits of tantalum, which is used in the fabrication of electronic components in computers and mobile phones. Katanga Mining Limited, a London based company, now owns the Luilu Metallurgical Plant, which has a capacity of 175,000 tonnes of copper and 8,000 tonnes of cobalt per year, making it the largest cobalt refinery in the world. After a major rehabilitation program, copper production was restarted in December 2007. Work on the cobalt circuit continues, with production expected by the end of Q1 2008[9].
According to a United Nations report smuggling and exportation of coltan, an ore which contains tantalum, helped fuel the war in the Congo, a crisis that has resulted in approximately 5.4 million deaths since 1998 – making it the world’s deadliest documented conflict since WW II.
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What right do they have to tell the Polish People who suffered so much at the hands of the Russians what they can and can not do?
If you believe those missiles are a threat to Russia I do have a bridge for sale. They threatened to nuke (destroy) them, not shoot spit-wads at them.
Once again the world has its head buried in the sand. When have we seen this scenario before?
Originally posted by Absence of Self
Can you provide us with references and or source material which would explain the Russian perspective further?
Originally posted by Absence of Self
Ideally, I would be very interested in reading the reasoning behind the Russian Administrations actions
Originally posted by Absence of Self
in conjunction with the opinion of the "Normal Russian on the street"
Originally posted by Absence of Self
and if possible, the analysis of the current socio-political situation from a Russian academic.
Desperate to leave some meaningful legacy, George W. Bush has one aim - to cut the Russia of Putin and Medvedev to size for crushing small Georgia. Georgia's defense is the defense of a minor country and of democracy in general the world over. This is the recent refrain of many U.S. songs.
Georgia's official invitation to join NATO, if it takes place, will only confirm the validity of Russia's actions. Three Black Sea nations - Turkey, Bulgaria, and Romania - are already NATO members; with Georgia and Ukraine making five, the Black Sea will turn into "Lake NATO." Even the Mediterranean has less NATO control. All post-Soviet division of influence was done in a state of political hangover, but there were still hopes for disputes. At this point, regional influence will be sealed, and Moscow will have to forget about any claims it believes it has on its neighbors.
The gist of the problem is that NATO and Russia are moving toward open confrontation. Russia has no problem with Ukraine's or Georgia's independence but it is concerned about their policies, and even more so, about those who direct their policies. These are Russia's next door neighbors. This is not strictly a Russian reaction, but rather the basics of any country's foreign policy.
Russian Newspaper Headlines:
Russia ready to begin recognition process for Abkhazia, South Ossetia
"Sergei Mironov, the speaker of the Russian parliament's upper house, said Russia was ready to heed the appeals of Abkhazia and South Ossetia to recognize them as independent countries. In fact, the two houses of parliament said they have even agreed on a potential date to do so, August 25."
"However, the two rebel republics' recognition by the international community might be a problem. "It is important that Russia think twice about who will support Abkhazia's independence and the de facto annexation of South Ossetia, rather than dream of a victory over Georgia. No Western nation will recognize Abkhazia, which will end up having a similar status to Northern Cyprus. It will also shatter the fragile balance established in the post-Cold War world," he said. "
Ending Russia-NATO cooperation will prove a mistake
"According to the analyst, Russia will in turn step up its global bomber patrols. "For the moment, patrols are flown as part of exercises. Aircraft are not always in the air," he said. "Perhaps if confrontation intensifies, patrols will become regular as in Soviet times, and their scope will be expanded."
Russia does not plan to supply Syria with offensive weapons
"A manager of a military-industrial company told Vedomosti that discussions would cover Russian arms supplies to Syria, including MiG-29 fighter planes, and fulfillment of existing contracts. No new contracts are expected to be signed.
Until now, Russia has been reserved in its arms supplies to Syria, says Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies. On the request of the Israeli government, Moscow declined in the past to supply Damascus with Iskander theater missiles, and in place of S-300 long-range systems, it sent Pantsyr and Buk-M2 shorter-range systems. "
More headlines:
Russia shouldn't recognize rebel republics unilaterally - analyst
"Russia should hold back from recognizing the rebel republics unilaterally. What Medvedev could do is apply to the UN, asking it to consider the two republics' status, because the UN cannot just wave him aside.
His request is most likely to be declined. Then, the next step could be to adopt a federal law regulating Russia's relations with Abkhazia. In that case, Abkhazia would obtain some security guarantees and economic independence. "
"Political analyst Stanislav Belkovsky said: "Russia has much to gain by recognizing the two republics now. It would certainly be our greatest foreign-political victory over the past few years. However, one should bear in mind that this move could severely hit the Russian political elite's commercial interests in the West. That is why these people are lobbying against the move, and the process is therefore likely to get dragged out for years.""
Dmitry Medvedev increasingly seen as independent politician - survey
"President Dmitry Medvedev's first 100 days in office culminated in the military conflict in Georgia, which in fact sent his popularity up as well as strengthened Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's ratings.
The conclusions have been drawn by Russia's leading public opinion services from their ongoing monitoring of public sentiments."
"On the whole, the president has been the most important official for most Russians for the past 15 years, said Valery Fyodorov, general director of the VTsIOM pollster.
He said that had not changed when Medvedev took over as president. However, Putin is still the most popular politician in Russia. His name is cited most often (55%) when respondents are asked to name five or six politicians they like. Medvedev ranks second with 40%."
"In July, 36% said they were convinced that Putin had not really let go of the reins, but only 26% think so now. "
"But whether there is a threat from Iran or not, the Russian military and political establishment is convinced that American anti-missiles in Poland are only part of a plan to build up a U.S. nuclear potential in Europe directed against Russia. Naturally, Moscow is considering retaliatory options.
Colonel General Viktor Yesin, first vice president of the Academy for Security, Defense and Law Enforcement, thinks that "in reply Russia could reinforce its air grouping in the Kaliningrad Region to neutralize missile silos in Poland."
Another general, Leonid Ivashov, who heads the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, believes that "in response Russia could site Iskander theater missile systems and high-precision cruise missiles in the Kaliningrad Region, western Russia, and Belarus."
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On the other hand, such a buildup in areas bordering on Russia, which could tip the balance of strength in the West's favor, is well capable of burying the main instrument of European security - the 1987 Treaty on Shorter and Medium Range Missiles. The military, including former chief of the General Staff Yury Baluyevsky, has time and again paraded reasons for returning these missiles to Russia's arsenal.
Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
reply to post by deltaboy
Oh please.. just go look at a map. A missile launched at the US from Iran would have to fly over Spain, about two and a half thousand miles away from Poland.