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Topic started on 20-8-2008 @ 12:07 PM by pityocamptes

Russia's new nuclear challenge to Europe

www.timesonline.co.uk

Russia is considering arming its Baltic fleet with nuclear warheads for the first time since the cold war, senior military sources warned last night.

The move, in response to American plans for a missile defence shield in Europe, would heighten tensions raised by the advance of Russian forces to within 20 miles of Tbilisi, the Georgian capital, yesterday.

(visit the link for the full news article)

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 12:08 PM by pityocamptes

The BEAR is back, and with a vengence. Personally, I hope they kick ass. The world is tired of being controlled by the neoCONS...

www.timesonline.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 12:16 PM by SectionEight

Holysheepdip, a nazi. So why would a nazi side with a socialist state? The nazi's were bitter enemies of socialism. Or is it just the inherent fun in seeing mayhem and destruction for you?

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 12:18 PM by Interestinggg

Originally posted by pityocamptes

The BEAR is back, and with a vengence. Personally, I hope they kick ass. The world is tired of being controlled by the neoCONS...

www.timesonline.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

So do you want to die from a nuclear war?
Or maybe in 1-2 years after that from radiation poisoning?
Even if you survive the initial blasts.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 12:23 PM by pityocamptes

Originally posted by SectionEight
Holysheepdip, a nazi. So why would a nazi side with a socialist state? The nazi's were bitter enemies of socialism. Or is it just the inherent fun in seeing mayhem and destruction for you?

No, when you push people around long enough, they get tired of the **SNIP**!!! America needs to realize that you cannot **SNIP**on people and shake their hand at the same time. Just like Rome, the people were tired of being dominated. When you grab a dog by the balls you'd better be prepared for the consequences...

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reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 12:25 PM by pityocamptes

Originally posted by Interestinggg

Originally posted by pityocamptes

The BEAR is back, and with a vengence. Personally, I hope they kick ass. The world is tired of being controlled by the neoCONS...

www.timesonline.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

So do you want to die from a nuclear war?
Or maybe in 1-2 years after that from radiation poisoning?
Even if you survive the initial blasts.

It is what it is. How are my comments going to change anything? In fact if war does start you can rest the blame solely on America for instigating the unfathomable...

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 12:25 PM by buddhasystem

Originally posted by SectionEight
Holysheepdip, a nazi. So why would a nazi side with a socialist state? The nazi's were bitter enemies of socialism.

"Nazi" is a shorthand for National Socialism. Socialism, get it?

Then again, who do you call socialist state? Surely you didn't mean Russia, because they are anything but.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 12:52 PM by xmaddness

In response to the article:

It would only seem fitting that Russia do something like this in response to the defense shield being put up around it. Do not get me wrong, I am an American and like knowing that if some European country misfired some missiles, we could shoot them down. But looking from the other side, it pretty much makes any type of Russian response to aggression, pretty useless.

The world is tired of being controlled by the neoCONS...

And by world certainly you mean yourself and other neoNazi's? Perhaps to give the neo-nazi's yet another chance to fail in trying to have their voices heard?

And surely you as a neo-nazi, as your avatar clearly shows, would not be in favor of a nation of non-aryan decent? According to Nazi's you are supposed to dominate the other peoples in the world so that your superior Aryan blood can educate those of lesser value.

You sure are one confused Nazi. Perhaps you should do a bit of history on the groups you are claiming to be a part of before deciding "omg look how cool this avatar is, I want to be a Nazi and be different that others"

When you grab a dog by the balls you'd better be prepared for the consequences...

How... Colorful.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 12:54 PM by centurion1211

Originally posted by SectionEight
Holysheepdip, a nazi. So why would a nazi side with a socialist state? The nazi's were bitter enemies of socialism. Or is it just the inherent fun in seeing mayhem and destruction for you?

IMO the OP is in favor of totalitarian regimes in general. It probably makes no difference to them which side of the political spectrum they exist on, as long as they control their people with an iron boot. Seems russia is headed that way again, so woohoo for them.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 12:57 PM by centurion1211

Originally posted by xmaddness
In response to the article:

It would only seem fitting that Russia do something like this in response to the defense shield being put up around it. Do not get me wrong, I am an American and like knowing that if some European country misfired some missiles, we could shoot them down. But looking from the other side, it pretty much makes any type of Russian response to aggression, pretty useless.

If you're an American, why would you think that the russians need your help with any of their policy moves?

And what "aggression"? It's a numbers game, man. 10 interceptors will not even make a dent in the russian missile arsenal if the russians decide to shoot them off.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 01:05 PM by SectionEight

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by SectionEight
Holysheepdip, a nazi. So why would a nazi side with a socialist state? The nazi's were bitter enemies of socialism.

"Nazi" is a shorthand for National Socialism. Socialism, get it?

Then again, who do you call socialist state? Surely you didn't mean Russia, because they are anything but.

No the nazis were a totalitarian dictatorship, Hitler, get it. The Soviet Union, USSR or United Soviet Socialist Republic was Hitler's bitter enemy, and they were viewed as a subhuman species to boot. Hitler actually admired the British and hoped to bomb them to the peace table and get them out of the war early so he could conquest the subhumans to the east.

I think centurion is right, just some teen rebel who thinks skinheads are cool with no clue wtf he is associating himself with.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 01:09 PM by loam

Breitbart is reporting the following:

Russia says its response to the further development of a U.S. missile shield in Poland will go beyond diplomacy.

That's some aggressive language.

Scary stuff, imo.

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reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 01:15 PM by pityocamptes

reply to post by xmaddness

Nope not a nazi. The avatar is the flag for the german police. We are living in the 4th reich - look around, do you REALLY think America is what she was even 50 years ago??????Hmmm put it together....

Russia has EVERY right to do what she is doing. Listen, people are tired of America's tyranny. Democracy in Iraq? Thats an oxymoron - those people would not know democracy if it bit them in the a$$ - they have been rule by tribe and dictator for thousands of years, what makes anyone think our way is correct?

Russia totalitarian? Hmmm, I t hought we brought her democracy twenty years ago? Oh thats right, it didn't work - democracy doesn't work for all people. How is Russia coming to the aid of Ossetia, who had the LEGAL right to break off any different then the US bombing the hell out of Afghanistan, Iraq, or any other country that we feel like liberating? What, its only good for America, and not others????

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reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 01:17 PM by SectionEight

reply to post by loam

Good find on the breaking news.

THis part should be crystal clear to the Russians,

"When you threaten Poland, you perhaps forget that it is not 1988," Rice said. "It's 2008 and the United States has a ... firm treaty guarantee to defend Poland's territory as if it was the territory of the United States. So it's probably not wise to throw these threats around."

Notice NATO was not mentioned at all, just the United States.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 01:22 PM by SectionEight

Originally posted by pityocamptes
reply to post by xmaddness

Nope not a nazi. The avatar is the flag for the german police. We are living in the 4th reich - look around, do you REALLY think America is what she was even 50 years ago??????Hmmm put it together....

Russia has EVERY right to do what she is doing. Listen, people are tired of America's tyranny. Democracy in Iraq? Thats an oxymoron - those people would not know democracy if it bit them in the a$$ - they have been rule by tribe and dictator for thousands of years, what makes anyone think our way is correct?

So those people are incapable of adapting, kind of like oh lets see, a lower form of human? Perhaps you are a nazi after all.

Russia is now treading on very thin ground, NATO is not who they are facing, it is the US in plain language, not political mumbo jumbo.

The notion that the US is stretched thin is a myth. The US armed forces are designed to wage a world war on two fronts globally. Iraq and Afghanistan are mere skirmishes compared to what the millitary is designed to face.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 01:29 PM by pityocamptes

Originally posted by SectionEight

Originally posted by pityocamptes
reply to post by xmaddness

Nope not a nazi. The avatar is the flag for the german police. We are living in the 4th reich - look around, do you REALLY think America is what she was even 50 years ago??????Hmmm put it together....

Russia has EVERY right to do what she is doing. Listen, people are tired of America's tyranny. Democracy in Iraq? Thats an oxymoron - those people would not know democracy if it bit them in the a$$ - they have been rule by tribe and dictator for thousands of years, what makes anyone think our way is correct?

So those people are incapable of adapting, kind of like oh lets see, a lower form of human? Perhaps you are a nazi after all.

Russia is now treading on very thin ground, NATO is not who they are facing, it is the US in plain language, not political mumbo jumbo.

The notion that the US is stretched thin is a myth. The US armed forces are designed to wage a world war on two fronts globally. Iraq and Afghanistan are mere skirmishes compared to what the millitary is designed to face.

Using your analogy, lets pretend that the US was a weaker power and some muslim country was a superpower. Lets suppose that the Muslim country overthrew the our government and established their own, with their own way of laws and customs - things unfamiliar to the majority of Americans. Do you REALLY think that the people here could adopt and convert to Sharia law over night? Reality says emphatically NO!! So given this comment: (So those people are incapable of adapting, kind of like oh lets see, a lower form of human? Perhaps you are a nazi after all.) you basically are saying that Americans are a lower form of life?

Get a grip dude, and stop calling me a Nazi - I explained very well above why that arguement was flawed, or can't you read? - maybe you should do some reading instead of spouting non sense.

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reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 01:30 PM by Anonymous ATS

Lets start with that American mindset is not in tune with current times. USA has gotten used to being the big kid on the block and is unwilling to adapt that mindset. Russian on another hand was in that economic mess not so long ago. They had no other choice but to accept the fact. Thats why in the 90's Russia and US were really "buddy-buddy". They had enough nukes to end all life on this planet but they didn't have the means to respond in more tactical or precise fasion.
In the past years the tables have turned. US is bogged down in the middle east and Russia is making a lot of money from that mess. (Oil Prices move mostly internationally)
In the simple temps, it is unprofitable for Russia to have peaceful, stable Middle East. That is why they are supporting Iran, and sold weapons to Iraq. They are brewing a proxy war. Superpowers don't fight directly, you want one of your minions to fight for you, simple strategy.
Now objectively speaking, Russian is try to do everything in its power to get US to go to war with Iran, they are trying to start a proxy war there. Unfortunately USA, with macho thinking is likely to fall into that trap.
This whole shield debate is superficial in nature, but it becomes an ego contest rather quick. For the fairness sake, US did get pretty upset about Russians considering to base their bombers in Cuba. Neither one of those propositions are catastrophic in nature like the media would make you think. Russian ICBM block would easily overwhelm the shield systems, and USA does have the capacity to neutralize any airborne threats from Cuba.
What really is happening, is Russia trying to manipulate the world market to its liking, like US has done in the 90's.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 01:34 PM by crisko

Originally posted by pityocamptes
reply to post by xmaddness

Nope not a nazi. The avatar is the flag for the german police.

It's the flag for the German Police of WW2 dumabss. IE: NAZIS.

I find it offensive and I think it should be removed.

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reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 01:35 PM by SectionEight

reply to post by pityocamptes

Wow such denial coming from one who has
a) a nazi swastika in your avatar
b) a mentioning of a fourth reich in your sig
c) an idolizing quote fron Hitler in your sig also

Ok, deny all you want but if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck......expect people to see a duck.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 01:39 PM by crisko

Originally posted by pityocamptes

Using your analogy, lets pretend that the US was a weaker power and some muslim country was a superpower. Lets suppose that the Muslim country overthrew the our government and established their own, with their own way of laws and customs - things unfamiliar to the majority of Americans. Do you REALLY think that the people here could adopt and convert to Sharia law over night? Reality says emphatically NO!! So given this comment: (So those people are incapable of adapting, kind of like oh lets see, a lower form of human? Perhaps you are a nazi after all.) you basically are saying that Americans are a lower form of life?

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The goal of Al Queda is to re-establish the caliphate, and yes, conqueor the world. Also, if you do not convert immediately you will be executed.

Open a book, go to school, do something. You are 0/2 according to my tally.

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