McCain Opens up a 5 Point Lead over Obama, page 5

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reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 05:36 PM by Multiple Junkie

reply to post by Becker44

Everything O.K. Multiple?

Do we need to throw you a life line or something?

Becker

Wow, posted a few things that were not kosher, sorry for taking up posts. Better to back them out than leave them up there as they were.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 05:44 PM by centurion1211

If you haven't also seen this Obama thread, check it out. I very much doubt it will help the senator's cause to have this information used in the campaign.

Thread about finding Obama's "lost" brother

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 06:02 PM by jfj123

I just hope that mccain doesn't win or we'll end up in WWIII and all wiped out financially as he's in big oils pocket.

I wish there was a 3rd choice but unfortunately obama is the lesser of 2 evils.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 06:11 PM by jfj123

any younger adults reading this PLEASE keep in mind that mccain has spoken on more than one occassion about re-instituting the draft. Here's an exmaple:

Today at a townhall meeting, an audience member praised Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) for his vow to “follow bin Laden to the gates of hell.” After a long question about veterans’ care, the questioner said she believed we needed to reinstate the draft, to which McCain seemed to readily agree:

QUESTIONER: If we don’t reenact the draft, I don’t think we’ll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell.

[Appaluse]

MCCAIN: Ma’am, let me say that I don’t disagree with anything you said.

thinkprogress.org...

So if you're thinking about voting for him, keep in mind that your friends, kids, family, etc... may be drafted so he can continue bush's war mongering policies.

Think hard before you vote and keep in mind that the neocon republicans are more concerned with moving forward with their parties agenda then they are in running the country. Their party line is more important then your family, children, and The United States itself.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 06:15 PM by pavil

reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin

Andrew,

You were the carping about Obama's HUGE poll lead of 4% and calling it a majority when neither side was anywhere near being over 50%. I told you to not put much stock in the numbers as the undecideds were still in double digits.

I wouldn't put a ton of stock in this poll either unless it starts to show a trend with future polls. If I am Obama, I would be concerned as it just came soon after my Euro Lovefest. I thought Obama was going to have a landslide victory the way some of his supporters have been talking. The Dems always want to claim victory early and then coast and then wonder what truck ran them over.

If you look at the map electorally, Obama will have a hard task at hand, harder than McCain.

I would expect an Obama bounce from the DNC convention and then a McCain surge from the RNC convention. The media will see to it that ample reporting happens of both.

And I don't know what you were watching during the Saddleback interviews but McCain "killed" Obama. Obama was so full of "nuances" that he hardly ever gave a real answer to tough questions.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 06:46 PM by Scramjet76

reply to post by pavil

And I don't know what you were watching during the Saddleback interviews but McCain "killed" Obama.

Hmm the winner depends on the judge. I thought Kerry destroyed Bush in the 2004 presidential debate, but I have a conservative friends who thought it was close. Likewise, I thought Cheney squashed Edwards on the V. presidential debate, but a liberal friend thought Cheney barely edged him out.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 07:04 PM by pavil

reply to post by Scramjet76

While that is subjective to be sure, most pundits have called it for McCain more than the other way around. I suggest EVERYONE look at both of them answering the questions: You be the judge as to who did well and who didn't.

trevinwax.com... arren-at-saddleback-forum-video/

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 07:41 PM by walkinghomer

Its getting to be quite obvious that politics has dwindled down to cheering for your side whether he/she is wrong or right. The Left in most cases will support the left no matter what they do and the right will support the right in most cases no matter what they do.

This year should not be about left/right, republican/democrat or Obama/McCain, It should be about America and who can save it from the path its heading.

Someone earlier said we need a War President. For What? Who's at War with us? We are at War with others. What we need to do is stop picking wars and take care of Americans here at home. If you really believe in Ron Paul (not saying that you do), then you would know that he's not for War.

A great man once said:

War is a poor chisel to carve out tomorrow
Martin Luther King, Jr.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 08:22 PM by LiquidMirage

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
1.) isnt it funny how all of the sudden polls can be taken seriously?

2.) My prediction: The saddleback debate we all just watched will be a severe blow to the mccain campaign. His answers were peachy, full of rainbows and sunshine, yes. They played to the crowd. BUT. Most "fence sitters" are some very intelligent people who can pick up on those kinds of things.

So now we need to wait for the more intelligent people to voice their opinions because everybody else is just too stupid. Shame on you arrogant liberal!

Your statement is indicates exactly why I really hate arrogant uppity snob liberals. Every single one of them could fall off the earth right now and it would faze me one bit...good riddance!

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 08:40 PM by walkinghomer

Originally posted by LiquidMirage

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
1.) isnt it funny how all of the sudden polls can be taken seriously?

2.) My prediction: The saddleback debate we all just watched will be a severe blow to the mccain campaign. His answers were peachy, full of rainbows and sunshine, yes. They played to the crowd. BUT. Most "fence sitters" are some very intelligent people who can pick up on those kinds of things.

So now we need to wait for the more intelligent people to voice their opinions because everybody else is just too stupid. Shame on you arrogant liberal!

Your statement is indicates exactly why I really hate arrogant uppity snob liberals. Every single one of them could fall off the earth right now and it would faze me one bit...good riddance!

Me Too..Me too. I'm an arrogant liberal.

Believe me, those quick answers of McCain will come back to bite him. The Answers to some of life's biggest problems are not always yes/no.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 10:48 PM by blahblah123

reply to post by Dronetek

First off McCain will destroy this country, more than Bush already has. McCain is negative have you not seen the commercials? The only thing I know about McCain is that he disagrees with Obama on everything and makes fun of his plans (see airing up tires..which btw actually works) and repeating "thats not change we can believe in" ....well wtf is he going to do? If he would spend less time bashing Obama and more time getting his message out people might like him more.

Bush didn't fully win either election, I hate to remind you. In 2000 he lost the popular vote...the citizens didn't elect him. It odd that the state with the problems happens to be the state that his brother is Governor of...
The 2004 election Kerry gave up because of the voting problems in Ohio which could have changed the outcome.

If another rePUBElicker fixes an election in this country hopefully the backwards hick asses who vote for these people might realize that their representatives are criminals.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 10:52 PM by blahblah123

reply to post by LiquidMirage

It "would faze you"...I'm glad you care.
I take it you meant it "wouldn't faze me"

Anyways, it seems to be the less educated backwoods hicks who vote repube.

But don't take my opinion take one of your own!!!

"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans -- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
- Karl Rove

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 11:02 PM by PammyK

I don't think Barak Obama is any less of a crook than ANY other politican. All canidates have their own opinion on issues and there is no way us Americians can find one that suits all our needs. Lets see who there VP's are. I wish we could know their entire Cabinet before voting. Just a thought

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 11:14 PM by blahblah123

reply to post by PammyK

The fact is that McCain is going to be just like Bush. Our country can't handle any more of this kind of politics. In 7 years we have been run into the #ter thanks to Bush's "great economic savvy" which means spend spend spend overseas and do nothing at home. But anyways in the long run if Obama becomes President than all of the troubles will be his fault and if McCain becomes President then all of the troubles the Bush administration has gotten us in will really be because of Jimmy Carter...they always blame everybody else.
Apparently the people sticking by Bush lately can't read, because they are clueless to what the Constitution says...or said. It's amazing that anybody wants to vote repube after the crap heap they've gotten us into.

I still think it's funny that the rePUBES candidate was a guy named Bush....

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 11:33 PM by West Coast

Originally posted by walkinghomer
3. The Media is NOT doing its Job. They have exposed all (or most) that there is to know about Obama but wouldn't the public want to know how Morally Bankrupt Mccain is. I mean leaving your wife when she's sick. Not to mention the Keating 5.

There was not much to expose in regards to Obama, the man lacks experience in many regards. His policy's are another thing many Americans do not agree with.

(The fact that you ignorantly scorn the liberal media is quite humorous though.)

4. If Obama was fully white NONE of you can tell me he would not be in the lead. This is not the only reason why he's behind in the polls. But he came into a race with a "disadvantage" of being BLACK and has an uphill battle.

Where as others would say, he would not be in the same place he is now had he not been black...

Obama has several policy's that lean socialist leftist. That is the problem with Obama in a nation that is just off center right in regards to policy. If this was Europe, Mr. Obama would be electable.

Save me the race card. You will not receive any white guilt from me. Obama is not fairing well due in large part to his policy's, not his skin color.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 11:43 PM by West Coast

reply to post by blahblah123

McCain preaches of fiscal responsibility. Raising taxes, as per Obama rhetoric, will only worsen the situation, this, irregardless if there is fiscal responsibility in a Obama admin (Which in itself, is far from being a certainty.)

Economics 101, Raising taxes during an economic downturn will only worsen things. The reason for Obama raising taxes while simultaneously redistributing funds away from national security related programs, etc. is to pay of all the socialist programs Obama has in store. That will equate to a larger government = less money, slower protracted growth rates, etc.

[edit on 20-8-2008 by West Coast]

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 11:45 PM by blahblah123

reply to post by West Coast

While reading your post I had a good laugh when I noticed that in your opinion this country is "just off center right"...hahaha

# son speak for yourself...I don't think you represent the entire country.

reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 11:48 PM by blahblah123

reply to post by West Coast

Real World 101 -
"The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should,"
-John McCain

I just think I will let him speak for himself on this one.

reply posted on 21-8-2008 @ 12:05 AM by Scramjet76

reply to post by pavil

I don't want to jump on the "uh-um-uh" nuance bandwagon, but I do find that distracting about Obama. His tonality at times seems a bit stronger than McCains though. Overall I was surprised at how well McCain did at answering some tough questions. I only watched through the "flip-flopping question" but I would score it 10-8 for McCain.

I think debating face-to-face will present both candidates with an entirely different animal. That will be very interesting to see.