Hah, I don't care who you are but that's funny.
Are any BarryOh supporters crying stolen poll yet?

This is a perfect example where too much publicity could be a bad thing.
It's a Barack Back Fire and you can expect Obama to continue to refuse to debate McCain.

Originally posted by Alxandro
Hah, I don't care who you are but that's funny.
Are any BarryOh supporters crying stolen poll yet?

This is a perfect example where too much publicity could be a bad thing.
It's a Barack Back Fire and you can expect Obama to continue to refuse to debate McCain.

See what i mean?

Polls showing obama in the lead are "false and not accurate"

Polls showing Obama in the rear are "the greatest thing since sliced bread"



Some people make it too easy.

Have to agree that polls, any polls, prior to election day are not a valid indicator of how the nation will vote in that the numbers really can be skewed one way or another.

Now I don't think they are completely worthless. I think they can be used as a temperature check to see what the current trend might be. This poll doesn't surprise me, given that the MSM declared McCain the winner in the recent debate. However, I expect to see different polls when running mates are chosen.

Right now, the front-runner for veep for Obama looks to be Joe Biden, who is chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. That's a smart move for winning the election, in my opinion, considering that Obama is considered weak on foreign policy.

There are rumors that McCain will pick Lieberman as his running mate and I've heard mixed opinions as to whether this would help or hurt him. Lieberman is pro-choice, which runs counter to McCain's pro-life stand. On the other hand, I think I would puke if he chose Huckabee. Lately Huckabee has been showing his true colors, IMO.

Only time will tell.

Polls go up, polls go down.

I think it'll be most interesting to see how the Obama campaign responds. Although we're not likely to see any special measures just yet.

The VP pick will provide a bounce and polling during the convention will simply be pointless given the over-exposure. The first poll of september should be the real numbers that they'll work from.

I was wondering if folks know that CNN is running a piece tonight....2000 EDT...John King interviewing McCain.

Now, some people have a knee-jerk reaction to those three letters....but pay attention to the journalist, please....not the network he/she works at.

Believe it or not, there are a few good people over at that other F-word "News" network....'Faux' News is slightly redundant, but there are some genuine people trying to actually create journalism, and not just 'parroting' White House talking points....

I was particularly interested in the little itty-bitty facts about McCain's FIRST marriage...and the timelines involved with the failure of that relationship and the beginning of the new one. Personally, I couldn't care less about it....EXCEPT...certain 'right-wingers' like to mention Bill Clinton, and his certain moment of moral depravity....so, my point here is.....if you wish to defend McCain, then by all means do so. If you want to defend Obama, do so also. If you hate Bill Clinton (or Hillary, et al) then feel free to do so.

I bring this up not to delve into anyone's personal business, in their romantic relationships....because it really is not important. I mention it only because so many think that one pecadillo by a sitting president someone taints him for life. I wish not to see it being used, against anybody. People's familial relationships should be off limits....the focus oughta be on the candidate's issues.

I have never been a strong believer in the Polls.

This poll had a 3% margin of error. Sample just over 1000.

It's been a crazy election season so far and the VPs haven't even been announced. Also we still have the debates etc. etc.

Cell phones....it sounds silly, but a huge portion of new voters support Obama and a huge portion of them have only cell phones rather than land lines. Cell phones aren't polled.

I think new voters also weren't polled? Only those who voted last election?

We don't have clarity yet.

Congrats to the McCain supporters for having one poll go their way, though I think some of the back-slapping here is way presumptious. It's a single poll and close polls are notoriously unreliable. You guys should save the bravado for more substatial numbers later in the season. Good luck.

I think what we are seeing here is the same thing we've seen since the Clintons left office; the Democrats are once again running a candidate big on flash and small on substance, and it is, yet again, backfiring. They became enchanted with the way Clinton charmed the voters and thought they could find another win in the same way. Gore lost because he's about as brilliant as a 10-watt bulb, and has zero appeal to anyone outside of his worshipers, but he sure is good at those soundbites. Kerry lost because, well, his campaign consistent of, basically, a "vote for me because I seem presidential and I know you hate the other guy" mentality and almost zero substance. And now Obama is slipping because, so far, his campaign has been about flash and glam and soaring oration about generalized daydreams.

What it comes down to is this: most people don't trust politicians at all. So when they have to choose between two horrible candidates, they choose the most transparent and familiar ones. McCain is pretty straight-forward on what he is. It's terrible, but at least we know what's coming. Obama has pandered to such a large range, saying whatever takes the moment and not really getting to the substance of matters, too often. That wins reality TV shows, maybe, but not elections. Add to that the fact that anyone who even remotely bothers to learn about Obama will quickly learn about his association with a lot of far-left, socialist/communist activists, and well...not many people are going to be willing to vote for him, unless they are desiring a far-left socialist US. Not saying that's what he'd bring, but, honestly, when choosing amongst two dishonest evils, you have to considered the worst-case scenario, no?

Perhaps someday the Democrats might come back to reality and have some concept of what makes a good candidate, but I don't expect it to happen soon. After all, they pushed out HRC, and she's a far stronger candidate than Obama. The powers that run the Democratic Party are pretty much all wealthy elitists, and have zero concept of life outside their bubble. (Clinging to guns and god, anyone?) As long as that remains the case, they will get support from naive young people who have been indoctrinated in the far-left education system, and those who never step outside the box it creates, and that's about the whole of their base, amongst the common people. Which means that, no matter how awful the Republican party becomes, they will still be the stronger party in most presidential elections.

So the next time you hear a Democrat on here complain about things, they might want to realize that they should be pointing the finger at their own party. I dare say, I think the laughable nature of the Democratic candidates is what has allowed the Republicans to diverge so far from what they once stood for, and has allowed these "rogues" and "mavericks" to run amok. When you know you've only got to campaign against Micky Mouse, it sure makes it a lot easier for a party to run a candidate that furthers their power, even if it brings dissent amongst the people and the former party base.

Originally posted by saturnine_sweet
Gore lost because he's about as brilliant as a 10-watt bulb,

Yes, they just give those Nobel Peace Prizes away to anyone who collects 100 proofs of purchase stamps on the Luck Charms boxes. I am sure you have one? Right?

Geez, the arrogance is astounding.

I dare say, I think the laughable nature of the Democratic candidates is what has allowed the Republicans to diverge so far from what they once stood for,

I like this alot. It's something I haven't heard yet. The republican party is corrupt and has driven this country into wars and economic depression because...wait for it...the Democrats made them do it. That is classic.

I dare say, the self serving arrogant single-mindedness of the Republican party is what has allowed this country to lose credibility in the world and economic security at home.

And what did the Republican party once stand for? Abraham Lincoln is the father of the Republican party...It was founded in 1854 by anti-slavery activists and Modernists. I am certainly in favor of the Republican party returning to it's roots.

On Topic....It's just a poll. We have a long few months if we plan on posting a thread for every poll that comes out showing someone ahead.

Funny how Obama supporters point to all kinds of polls when Obama is up but say they don't mean much when he is down.

Funny how Mccain supporters say the polls don't mean much when McCain is down but pop out the polls when he is up.

Guess polls really do matter.

That is IF your candidate is leading in the polls.

The only poll that should matter is the one voters will take on election day.


Even funnier is the fact that a lot of people, myself included, were saying that McCain was running a poor campaign. Yet he is still right up there with Obama. Obama supporters do have reason to worry.