Ive said it before, polls have little merit until late october.

Some how I knew we would be debating polls.

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
1.) isnt it funny how all of the sudden polls can be taken seriously?

2.) My prediction: The saddleback debate we all just watched will be a severe blow to the mccain campaign. His answers were peachy, full of rainbows and sunshine, yes. They played to the crowd. BUT. Most "fence sitters" are some very intelligent people who can pick up on those kinds of things.


Time will tell.

But i just want to say again - isnt it funny how all of the sudden "polls" are suddenly credible sources of information to dictate how a candidate is doing

Unfortunately you are wrong. America has enjoyed McCain at the Forum. You keep calling it a debate, it really wasnt.

Theres no doubt anywhere McCain did better at the forum. You are one of the select few that seems to believe Obama did.

I totally see you crying when McCain picks apart Obama in september.

[edit on 8/20/2008 by AndrewTB]

Mccain as president....I need to stock my bunker.... Well yes polls are good...but its all down to the crunch time in the end...lets cross our fingers

Originally posted by argentus
I suppose in one sense, that conclusion is directly dependent upon WHICH poll is cited. CNN just moments ago cited Senator Obama three points ahead of Senator McCain, at 46-43 (with 11 undecided).

Correct. But historically which polls have been more accurate is also a good question. The Zogby polls have been historically very accurate.

Originally posted by nyk537
Even without the polls, (which my last post didn't really deal with), my point was that Obama is not where he nor his supporters thought he would be at this stage.
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I don't need a poll to tell me that the Obama mania is gone…I can feel it.

This is also an excellent point. Obama's supporters and the MSM have gone to great lengths to portray Obama as some kind of "saviour" to McCain's being nothing but a bumbling old fool.

That strategy is now showing as not working.

To Andrew, BH and all the other obamaphiles here, tell me that you are not shocked and even a little hurt that your rock star isn't already blowing McCain away in the polls. Come on, you can be honest here ...

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
If hillary somehow pulls off the nomination - i'll be voting for someone else. THe last thing this country needs is Hillary Clinton in the white house.

Really? Perhaps I misjudged you. There may be hope for you yet.

That is what I have difficulty understanding as an outsider looking in.

I can't fully understand exactly what it is that Obama is supposed to be offering as a leader.

He has no military experience and no history of being a negotiator or a commander of any kind

He has little to no experience or promise to reconcile or repair the flailing economy

He has very little experience as a part of government in general, so he has little to no reference to guide him as a leader

His only plan for stimulating the American economy is to raise taxes


He claims to be for the common working class American, even though he is a spoon fed Harvard elitest with no real sense of what it is to be a working American (something he AND Mccain have in common)


Please, I am seriously wishing to know, other than being a strong public speaker and the first serious minority presidential candidate....WHAT EXACTLY DOES THIS MAN OFFER?