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Why can't we require drug tests in order to draw welfare?

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posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 11:58 AM
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reply to post by Scorched Earth
 


by that line of thought, we should

take management's children away as long as they receive government subsidies, and corporate bailouts and tax-breaks.
'corporate welfare'

and remove farmer's children while they are receiving subsidies as well

take away corporate and farmer's rights to lobbying and voting until they receive no further government funding.

drug and alcohol screening mandatory for all levels of the company/farm in question.

oh and also apply the mandatory birth control thing, too.

because if you can't afford to run a company yourself, you can't afford to have children either.

and also, any company that has EVER taken government subisidies, tax-breaks or grants should be required to pay all that money back in full before they can regain their rights to voting, procreating, and child-rearing.

you people love your little police states, don't you?




posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by groingrinder
Fair enough, but I would also require drug and ALCOHOL tests of Senators and Congressmen. Random and often. Some of their actions indicate they may be impaired.

I also propose forced sterilization for any man who fathers a welfare child.

[edit on 8-20-2008 by groingrinder]


Couldn't agree more one number one.

But where do you draw the line one point two? Are you going to steralize a man if he has no contact period with that welfare child? If he sees the kid a few hours a week? Why not the women too?



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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lol, such a drug testing seems to be illegal. if i am capable to do my job right noone has any right to ban me from using any substances i want. if i smoke weed on saturday night i wont cause any harm to anyone, it wont affect my job so it does not give any right for anyone to take away my freedoms.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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reply to post by Scarlett Johanson
 


Out here in the real world you have to learn to get along and interact with other races. As long as you are not working next to Michelle Obama, who thinks everyone ELSE is the racist, you should be OK.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:04 PM
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you guys are members of the Nazi Party aren't you?

you are talking about eugenics, here.

evil, evil stuff.

so if we can sterilize the poor, why not Jews and Blacks, right?

see what I mean?

my grandad didn't fight in world war 2 for you punks to spread this Nazi Propaganda.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by WyrdeOne

If we cut the number of people on welfare by half or 60%, we could give the people who remained on welfare more money - enough to actually get out of the hole, instead of tread water.

Just a thought.

To those saying it's unconstitutional, yes, it is. Still, it can be a very good investment, if you get people off the dole in the end and teach them some self-sufficiency. The best help you can give someone is a job and an affordable home.


That is why I think there is a reform needed. Too many people clogging the system up--problem number 1 isbum-sitters, number 2 is illegals, those who honestly are trying to get back up fall through the cracks.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:09 PM
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Personally I think the one you mentioned should be legal. However the others I think should stay prohibited. The hard drugs were more the ones I thought should be tested for, but I did not clarify this because I didn' twant to run afoul of T&C.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by roxaz
lol, such a drug testing seems to be illegal. if i am capable to do my job right noone has any right to ban me from using any substances i want. if i smoke weed on saturday night i wont cause any harm to anyone, it wont affect my job so it does not give any right for anyone to take away my freedoms.


PUT THE BLUNT DOWN BEFORE POSTING!!! While I do agree with the spirit of your post, I will qualify it as below.

I agree with you based on the following.

You have the right as an employer to fire me for: Being late, fighting with my fellows, not being productive, having too many sick days, being intoxicated at work, or endangering my fellows with my behavior.

If you cannot fire me for any of the above, you do not have the right to force me to urinate so you can look at it under a microscope to find a reason to fire me.

However, if you are on the government gravy train, you do not have the right to do drugs and alcohol with the money. You have an obligation to at least make some effort to get your own life in order.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by prestonberryworth
So should we invade the privacy of these people by inforcing drug tests to apply for welfare? I'm not sure, I'd say no. I think we should get rid of the programs all together.



I do not think it is invading their privacy to ask for a drug test: they invited the govt. in by asking for the dollars in the first plac.e



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:15 PM
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Nobody is talking about sterilizing the poor. The Nazi program was to purify the race. I am advocating sterilizing idiots who father welfare babies. Sometimes even rich people father welfare babies. If you cannot take responsibility for those you bring into the world, then society must take measures to be responsible for you. I cannot believe people think it is some kind of a right to be able to father children and ignore them and let the state provide for them. PUT THE BLUNT DOWN BEFORE POSTING!!!



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:20 PM
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I agree! I also have a great living example, my cousin. He sits on his butt all day playing chess guitar and smoking WEED. Every so often California would make him get a job for which he would get him self fired. "why work when the gov. will pay for my apartment food and everything else?"

It's a good kick in the ... for as to why we pay such high taxes, med,social,ex.............!



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:33 PM
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right on, i'm with you, and i'm not afraid to admit that i've been to rehab twice, because i'm clean now... but honestly my time in that scene taught me MANY cracks in the system and ways to get away with the habbit... i get so fustrated watching 'cops' on tv because ... why can't they just search EVERYONE?

think about it, not only do some jobs drug screen you, but you had to sign a paper on getting your drivers liscense to say you'd take a drug test when ever a cop wanted to give you one.

if they're going to take away our right to do whatever drugs we want, for fun or for whatever, then they might as well do a better job at doing it, drug tests do NOT cost that much it is not a money thing.

bleh, glad you brought that one up



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:40 PM
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Welfare has helped a great number of people. There is nothing worse then when people stereotype an entire population.

I was on medicaid for a few months. My friend on welfare for 2 years but she now has a great job and her own home.

Dont' fault welfare for a few bad eggs, it gets many of us through tough spots.

The main thing they need to do with welfare is one change, subsidize childcare. It is too expensive to afford a menial job, so all people can do is collect checks.

My friend moved to Fl who subsidized daycare, she was then able to get a degree and get a job. She would still be on the system otherwise.

Daycare is what stops many people from working. In my area it is 350 a week. That is not affordable for an entry level position.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by Obliv_au
you know what would happen though? everyone you just got kicked off welfare will now resort to petty crime like bag snatching and break in/theft style crime to pay for the day to day living expenses.

Or worse, get educated to the point where they can compete for our jobs!!!

[edit on 20/8/08 by styxxz]



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:51 PM
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Drug testing outside of violent offender criminal charges is unconstitutional and a violation of our civil liberties, so I can't believe so many americans are OK with it being used as a controlling agent for anything. Wellfare is also used by Big Brother to maintain control of minority groups who can't see past there own gov't dependent lifestyle. I'm opposed to both, but by trying to fix something that doesn't work with something that infringes on our civil liberty just doesn't cut it.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:54 PM
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Amen brother, most people don't even know when drug testing became popular. When Carlton Turner got fired he started a drug testing company with a Dupont and then Reagans war on drugs kicked in and Nancy did her part for the US to save US from drugs. With her help and 250 companies they made it so that you could not do business with the Gov unless you had a drug testing policy. Now with the billions made in drug testing industry how could we think about it differently. If you take drugs you are a looser but not if you drink alcohol. Every person on the planet uses the most dangerous drug known, '___'. So quit thinking you are so special because you don't use drugs, every night you use something more powerful than '___'.

This program is very similar to the anthrax shots for the military (I took the whole series before I left). An Admiral retires buys a company in Michigan that produces the shot for Veterinarians and all of a sudden we all have t take a shot that can not protect you from Anthrax. Yeah gotta love how we do business.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:56 PM
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I can't stand those individuals who know they can just go get a job but don't and choose to leech off the welfare system. They're lazy, uneducated & don't deserve a cent to their name. Especially the ones who spend their welfare checks on drugs instead of their family issues... I know alot of people on disability aswell who obviously lied and arn't disabled at all, who are now also leeching off the system... makes me sick that I have to work 12 hours a day to pay their way through life...



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 12:59 PM
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I agreee with Drug Testing for those receiving Monthly Government Checks or Living in Government Provided Housing.

It has been done for the past 25 years, to our men and women in the Military. And these people are fighting to preserve everyone elses rights.

The biggest problem I see for this country is the willingness of our government to provide Welfare and Social Security benefits to immigrants that have not contributed a dime to the system.

If we don't do something to stem this outpouring of money to those who may not desrve it, there will be no money for those that do.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 01:00 PM
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Well, it's unconstitutional to drug screen someone for an unconstitutionally outlawed substance.

It's not illegal to smoke marijuana ... it's illegal to possess it. The government can't tell you what you can and can't put in your body. Well, they can ... but, it's unconstitutional.

It's a shame that these men and women that we elect to public positions can't do the simplest thing that they are sworn to: Uphold the constitution.

As if any of that matters with the way this country is heading.


Don't get me wrong. I think everyone needs to quit depending so much on the government and learn how to live their own lives and support themselves. But, we shouldn't do this in an immoral, authoritarian fashion.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 01:45 PM
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Chill out, pal, most of that was sarcastic.



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