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Originally posted by Misfit
Originally posted by LoveKnowledge
You give them something to lose.
If their own life is already not worth saving, that they would just as soon strap a bomb, what could one possibly give to them that would that would become "something to lose". Can't be anything of a personal nature, like the sacrifice of family or friends, as that just feeds the fire.
Originally posted by Pjotr
But you are right about brainwashed soldiers. They are everywhere. And your question has some historical value. Look at all the people that let themself murder by enemy armies in history without lifting a finger.
When i looked at Jews that let themselves kill standing at the ridge of their graves that they dug themselves, I thought as a boy: "How can they let it just happen". Now, as a middle aged guy I think, I could let it happen to myself. Because what is there to gain by staying alive in a world filled with idiots and barbarians. Death cannot be worse.
So, to ask your question. You can only fight people with nothing to loose by killing them, knowing that in doing so you killed yourself and any oppertunity your soul once had.
You can also choose not to fight them, but instead enrich their world with your effort to understand who they are. Maybe one day they will choose to listen to you. They used to do that, as far as Islamics are concerned, you know, before someone deafened them.
Originally posted by Misfit
Oh I know exactly what the drive to fight in this scenario is ......... the twisting of religion.
Of that, I don't see how one can take away any religion of any person, considering the religion is the core of this persons belief, it's not tangible, its his spirit until his death and he already knows it.
Originally posted by Karlhungis
How do you fight an enemy that gives you two options, conform to their will or die? An enemy that views death as a reward.
How do you fight an enemy with nothing to lose?
Originally posted by sc2099
This is a question I have pondered as well, Karl. The way I see it there are two choices. We can try to educate such people that they do have something to live for rather than just something to die for. We can try to improve their lives. Or we can just kill them all.
Option 1 is a gamble. They may never prefer life to death. They may never find a good enough reason to keep living and refrain from killing and dying.
Option 2 is a sure thing.
Do you want to gamble your future on the willingness of absolute lunatics to embrace civilization?
“Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.” – John Lennon, before his murder by CIA mind-control subject Mark David Chapman
When Gandhi was asked his opinion of Western civilization he said it would be a good idea. But that oft-cited quote, is misleading, assuming as it does that civilization is an unmitigated blessing.
Civilized people, we are told, live peacefully and cooperatively with their fellows, sharing the necessary labour in order to obtain the leisure to develop arts and sciences. And while that would be a good idea, it is not a good description of what has been going on in the so-called advanced cultures during the past 8,000 years.
Civilization, as we know it, is largely the creation of psychopaths. All civilizations, our own included, have been based on slavery and “warfare.” Incidentally, the latter term is a euphemism for mass murder.
originally posted by: Karlhungis
How do you fight an enemy that gives you two options, conform to their will or die? An enemy that views death as a reward. ... I want this to be about the philosophical aspect of it, not the political.