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Round 1: ThreeDeuc v GUNSINWAR: The Bermuda Triangle

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posted on Aug, 18 2008 @ 10:12 PM
The topic for this debate is “The Bermuda Triangle History Is A Military Concocted Story To Hide Naval Operations.”

ThreeDeuc will be arguing the pro position and will open the debate.
GUNSINWAR will argue the con position.

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posted on Aug, 27 2008 @ 02:08 AM
First let me begin by thanking MemoryShock for his hard work and dedication to the Debate forum of Above Top Secret.Secondly, allow me to thank Threedeuce for his participating and good luck to you. Lastly, I thank you the reader for taking the time to read this debate.

The Bermuda Triangle History Is A Military Concocted Story To Hide Naval Operations.

In this debate i will show to our ATS members that the Military has nothing to hide in this debate..The only thing about the military to be involved in this matter is due to their propery that went missing in the Bermuda triangle.

First we have to go back in time and mention one of the names in history:

CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS as you all know was an Italian navigator, colonizer and explorer whose voyages across the Atlantic Ocean led to general European awareness of the American continents in the Western Hemisphere. He was an explorer not an had nothing to do with war ships.

Christopher Columbus was the first person to document something strange in the Triangle, reporting that he and his crew observed "strange dancing lights on the horizon", flames in the sky, and at another point he wrote in his log about bizarre compass bearings in the area. From his log book, dated October 11, 1492.

The year was 1492,lets you think!During those days there was not even a thing called conspiracy theories!

I will leave it hear for know!

posted on Aug, 28 2008 @ 04:52 AM
My opponent has failed to reply within 24 hrs therefore is shall continue with my debate!

Here is a list of some famous dissapearances in the bermuda triangle:

1.) Flight 19:
Flight 19 was a training flight of TBM Avenger bombers that went missing on December 5, 1945 while over the Atlantic.

2.)Carroll A. Deering:
A five-masted schooner built in 1919, the Carroll A. Deering was found hard aground and abandoned at Diamond Shoals, near Cape Hatteras, North Carolina on January 31, 1921.

3.)KC-135 Stratotankers:
On August 28, 1963 a pair of U.S. Air Force KC-135 Stratotanker aircraft collided and crashed into the Atlantic.

4.)Raifuku Maru:

One of the more famous incidents in the Triangle took place in 1921 (some say a few years later), when the Japanese vessel Raifuku Maru (sometimes misidentified as Raikuke Maru) went down with all hands after sending a distress signal which allegedly said "Danger like dagger now. Come quick!", or "It's like a dagger, come quick!" This has led writers to speculate on what the "dagger" was, with a waterspout being the likely candidate (Winer). In reality the ship was nowhere near the Triangle, nor was the word "dagger" a part of the ship's distress call ("Now very danger. Come quick."); having left Boston for Hamburg, Germany, on April 21, 1925, she got caught in a severe storm and sank in the North Atlantic with all hands while another ship, RMS Homeric, attempted an unsuccessful rescue.

1909, December 18

schooner disappeared east of Jacksonville, Florida with 8 persons.

1909, December 23
schooner disappeared east of Jacksonville, Florida with 9 persons.

1909, December 25
A schooner disappeared east of Jacksonville, Florida with 7 persons

1910, March 15
Here is a interesting story!

The USS Niña, a 4th rate iron screw steamer, was laid down by Reaney, Son, and Archbold, Chester, Pennsylvania in 1864.
The 137 foot-long tug was launched 27 May 1865, delivered to the New York Navy Yard 26 September 1865, and placed in service
as a yard tug at the Washington Navy Yard 6 January 1866. The Niña operated as a yard tug for the Washington Naval Gun Factory
through May 1869 and was then converted to a torpedo boat. The ship served as a torpedo boat at Newport through 1883, refitting in
May 1884 for special service, and next operated from August to October salvaging the wreck of sidewheel gunboat Tallapoosa, which had
sunk in Martha's Vineyard Sound. From 1885 to 1889, Niña served in various capacities at New York Navy Yard, and then returned to Newport from 1890 to 1891.

The converted tugboat returned to New York Navy Yard in 1892 to resume her original duties, continuing her yard work and towing services there for a decade.
Niña was next loaned to the Lighthouse Department to verify aids to navigation near Puerto Rican waters to protect the Fleet conducting Winter maneuvers
from October 1903 to April 1904. The Niña was ordered converted into a submarine tender on 28 December 1905. On 25 May 1906, she arrived at the Newport Naval Torpedo Station,
and following a year's service, was assigned as tender for the 1st Torpedo Flotilla. For the next four years, she served with the Atlantic Fleet's infant submarine force in its
pioneer coastal operations form Newport to Annapolis and Norfolk. From 1 December 1908 to 22 February 1909, she participated in the great Review in Hampton Roads following
the return of the Great White Fleet from its globe girdling cruise and joined submarines in exercises off the Virginia coast.

The USS Nina ultimately foundered at sea during a storm on 6 February 1910. Sitting in 80 feet, she was rediscovered in 1977. Many artifacts including the bell,
portholes, lanterns, and Morse diving equipment were recovered soon thereafter. Towards the bow, personal effects can still be recovered by digging where the crew's
quarters used to be. The stern is not as prominent as the bow, being close to the sand.

1963, August 28

This is here to proof that not only did military or military airplanes dissapear but non military planes and ships!

posted on Aug, 28 2008 @ 10:45 AM
ThreeDeuc has forfieted this debte, GUNSINWAR will advance to the Second Round.

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