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Round 1: BSG75 v bodrul: Permanent Guests Of The Queen Mary?

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posted on Aug, 18 2008 @ 10:10 PM
The topic for this debate is “The Queen Mary Is Truly Haunted With Actual, Real Ghosts.”

BSG75 will be arguing the pro position and will open the debate.
bodrul will argue the con position.

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posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 02:05 PM
Thank you for setting up this debate memory shock.
Being someone that is sceptical of the whole paranormal and alien stuff this is going to be an interesting debate and most challenging,
Since my opponent hasn’t shown up for his first post.
I will start off.
For my opening statement I would like to address the structure of the ship and the year it was built in 1934, this means noise reduction technology hasn’t been fully utilised by the ship building industry.

This means noise that is produced by people on the ship or any work or activity that is done on the ship is echoed across it as it is magnified by the steel work.
As Engines and other forms of generators are used in ships they create a unique sound that travels along the ships bowls and in some cases sound that travels through the sea and hit the ship is also amplified on the ship hull, this gives the impression of ghostly sounds which can spook people.
That explains the sound aspect people speak of when they are ships which they believe to be haunted by the previous passengers,

On the sightseeing part this can easily be explained using this article.
Many scientists believe that ghosts are fake, but parapsychologists believe ghosts are real. Spirits are electromagnetic fields. Brain waves can make people see and hear many things. Electromagnetic waves can affect the nervous system. This can cause somebody to hallucinate. The eye can act as a TV screen. Instead of the person taking in images, they are transmitted out.

As you can see it has been proven those ghosts and other figures that people bring out and claim to be ghosts they have captured on film have always been proven to be fakes caused by a camera trick or staged event.
Or the trickery of the eye where the brain lets of stress.
Many people can admit when they get bored they start seeing things which can sometimes look very pretty or damning.

Since my opponent hasn’t posted I haven’t got any questions to answer or points to dispute so I will leave it at this,

With my three questions.
1. Has ghost sightings in the Ship been proven for a fact?
2. How many people claim to see the ghosts?
3. How many professionals back these claims?

[edit on 20-8-2008 by MemoryShock]

posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:22 PM
Since my opponent hasn’t shown up still
I will address my new prospective on ghosts and how easily it can be hoaxed by anyone that has the gear at hand.

Anyone with a photo editing program can come along and take a genuine picture and distort it using the filters on the program to get their desired effect.

Smudge on the lens ghost!
A smudge or moisture on the lens can give an eerie ghostly effect to a photo. Make sure your camera lens is clean!

Fake long armed ecto figure!
Jeff writes, "Here is a simple fake. I took a picture from my PC (it was taken of me at a gathering) and opened it in Photoshop6. I then took a picture I had of another person, applied a couple filters, and used the smudge tool to manipulate the directions of the "ecto". Very simple. Imagine the capabilities of making a fake if you spent MORE than 2 and a half minutes on it! LOLThanks!"

The following reference that I have used shows how easy it is to take a picture and then smudge it using the smudge tool to give the object or person the effect that they are some sort of ghost.

Funny enough I just found a ATS page showing how to make fake ghost pictures authored by Paresthesia

With the technology we have in this day and age anyone can make hoax ghost pictures from their home computers unlike a decade ago where it would take time and money to pull a stunt off like this.
As more and more people become computer literate and the cheaper they become the more people will explore what they can do.

Since my opponent hasn’t posted yet my previous questions still stand.

posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:43 PM
BSG75 has missed two posts and has forfeited the debate.

bodrul will advance to the next round.

posted on Aug, 23 2008 @ 12:37 PM
My apollogies for not being on here sooner, as I was in hospital, and unable to post, I hope i will be excused.

The simple answer is that they do exist on the RMS Queen Mary and number at least 130 plus, it has been talked about many times and has been well documented in quite a few journels.

In the past 60 years, the ship has had at least 49 reported deaths on board. Official statistics vary, but the Queen Mary is said to be haunted by at least 130 known spirits. These include the ghosts of passengers, crew, and soldiers, Some of the more famous haunted areas include the first and second class swimming pools, where sightings of ghostly women in 1930's era bathing costumes, splashes, and wet footprints have been reported.

In the second class poolroom in particular, the ghost of a child named Jackie, who is said to have drowned during a transatlantic crossing, has been spotted.

The changing rooms off the first class swimming pool is another haunted area. (and indeed this was used as a plot for the episode "Sea Bride" from the TV series "Quantum Leap" where in fact due to Sams interferance, the ghost never appears).

There seems to be a vortex of negative energy, or so several psychics have claimed. Other children have been spotted in the third class playroom, where it is said that if you listen closely, you can hear the sounds of disembodied crying.

One particularly haunted area is the ship's engine room. There, Door Number 13 is the site of an unlucky accident, where a crewman was crushed to death during a routine drill. Since then, many have reported seeing the ghost of a workman in coveralls walk toward Door 13, and then vanish, something which I have seen myself.

I look forward to my opponants reply.

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