ExoByte: By the end of this post, you will fall into one of the below categories. [snip] Mark my words, you will fall into one of the above categories or sub-categories, which are merely extensions of the above.

I fall into none of these categories because your post failed to tie all these loose ends together.

Many of the elements are well known enough but loosely related in the manner in which you present them.

After reading the other comments to your post and your replies it seems you admitted to loosing track of what direction / subject you were writing in / about. I have read your post three times so feel confident when I say that it lacks definitive direction.

Many eggs in a basket does not an Easter basket make.

Hildegard

Well golly gee whiz, the author of this piece has re-discovered something that has been known since the early 1940's or before.

That the Aryans include very dark skinned people from India and its environs - known for at least 100 years.

That many different peoples used the same symbol as that called the "Swastika" by the Nazi's. Among those peoples were the Indians, the Chinese, and the Navajo peoples, among many others. Sadly, because of the Nazi's, the intellectually unlettered think the "Swastika" has something to do with all of those earlier uses.

That Hitler and his henchmen were deeply involved in the ioccult, and various mystical beliefs? Well, what do you expect from a buch of maniacs and total losers as human beings? People that look for some magical explanation of why they don't succeed, or that will make them superior to others.

Not one bit of this stuff is new. I learned some of it in grammar school in the 1940's, other parts in High Scholl in the 50's, and so on.

Big freaking deal!

Originally posted by OldMedic

Not one bit of this stuff is new. I learned some of it in grammar school in the 1940's, other parts in High Scholl in the 50's, and so on.

Big freaking deal!

Does this fact make you superior or responsible for the mess the world is in?

superb!!! man great job... pretty much all i have discovered but in much great detail!!! i love it... I hope to hear more from you

No evidence to prove the "Hitler-Crowley" myth or the "Hitler/Nazis = Occulist(s) " link?

Not very surprising My original post in this thread stands.

[edit on 23-8-2008 by Turiddu]

Originally posted by Turiddu
No evidence to prove the "Hitler-Crowley" myth or the "Hitler/Nazis = Occulist(s) " link?

Not very surprising My original post in this thread stands.

[edit on 23-8-2008 by Turiddu]

Are you going to make it a point to post this on each page of this thread?

That is immature and very annoying. Can you prove without a doubt that they never met each other like you keep saying? You can't can you? But you're more than willing to keep saying they didn't. Just because there's no official record they ever met, doesn't mean it never happened. You weren't there so stop acting as if you know for a fact they never met.

Originally posted by Turiddu
No evidence to prove the "Hitler-Crowley" myth or the "Hitler/Nazis = Occulist(s) " link?

Not very surprising My original post in this thread stands.

[edit on 23-8-2008 by Turiddu]

You'll only accept evidence from "acceptable" sources, so what's the use trying to convince you? But since you insist...

Crowley's student Dietrich Eckart would become an important mentor for Hitler during this time. Eckart was the wealthy publisher and editor-in-chief of the anti-Semitic journal Auf Gut Deutsch. He was also a committed occultist and a master of magic who belonged to the inner circle of the Thule Society as well as other esoteric orders. Eckart used his master's ritual magic to prepare Hitler for his occultic destiny of ruling the Aryan race and ultimately the world.

Having done his worst, Eckart died in 1923, but only after proudly advising those around him: "Follow Hitler! He will dance, but it is I who have called the tune! I have initiated him into the 'Secret Doctrine', opened his centers of vision and given him the means to communicate with the Powers. Do not mourn for me: I shall have influenced history more than any other German."

From then on Crowley himself influenced Hitler's thinking and beliefs directly. Hitler was already familiar with his writing and theories through the Thule Society, and The Book of the Law, oriented toward various fascist principles, became Hitler's guide. Very often he would paraphrase or express an idea from the book - often word for word.

Armed with new, secret psychological techniques Hitler was able to move the obscure National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP) from the clubs and beer halls to a mass movement, while in 1925 Crowley was elected World Head of the OTO.

Between 1936 and 1939 Crowley paid a number of visits to Nazi Germany while Heinrich Himmler's Occult Corps (Geheimnisvolle Korps) recruited or persecuted all practicing occultists in Germany and incorporated into one organization the Thule Society, the Vril Society and the German branch of the OTO. The SS Paranormal Division's subsequent vilification of Crowley during World War II was a simple cover; behind the political facades performed for the public the most powerful factions (occult and economic) of Germany and Britain were not enemies but allies, bound together in the one great war for the conquest of men’s souls and minds.

Himmler viewed the relationship between Crowley and Hitler like that once shared by Merlin and Arthur: the one magician, adviser and the architect of Camelot, the other true-born king, and each equally benefitting from the favors of the other. But Marianna Blavatsky, high priestess of the Occult Corps, claimed the relationship was more like that once shared by Rasputin and the Romanovs of Russia, and that it was Crowley who ruled the Third Reich

A quote without a source. Is that any better?

one question that pops up in mind mind is why the deception ?

if aryans are indians and very far from germanic ancestory how come thouse two where used in propaganda as a driving force, it makes no sence in my mind

why put so much effort in the deception if it only was the search of mans origin in summerian texts ?

great post by the op, some very interesting points.

personally, i think that most people on the planet must have this gean by now, but that it's a lot weaker in generations which have only had brown eyes, and much stronger in generations which have only had blue eyes for an example, meaning that blue or brown eyes are likely to return again for the next generation. apologies if i've got this wrong as i have never studied geneology.

does the fact that babies are born with blue eyes link in with it also?

Star and Flag!!

Here is part of my initial concerns with this topic:

-What evidence do you have to suggest a link between Hitler and Crowley? -And what criticisms do you have regarding the "offical" story of Hitler?


Almost every legitimate biography of Hitler suggests his interest in more "metaphysical" occult forms was very limited and he did not trust astrological charts. Hitler believed in "destiny" and the supposed supremacy of certain races and cultures over others but he did not believe in all the outrageous Occult and Mystical things people have attributed to him.

[edit on 27-8-2008 by Turiddu]

I know too little about either the Sumerians or Hitler/Nazis to have an informed opinion, but I did find the postings very interesting and earnest in the telling. I'd say I fell somewhere between the categories of one who finds the story exciting and a somewhat epiphanal, and the reader who remains curious to know more beyond the conclusion of the post.

I had a thought about "The Watchers". I just read The Threat, by Dr. David Jacobs, in which he presents his findings on years worth of study of evidence obtained from carefully conducted hypnotism on alleged UFO abductees. His writing depicts abductions are usually carried out by Grays, who are observed--through retrieved suppressed memories--staring into the eyes of the abductee at close range, effecting the abductee with paralysis or loss of autonomy over their physiological/psychological functions. I wonder if this often reported aspect of modern-day UFO abduction impacts the context in which Grays were called Watchers.

I imagine Grays in the time of the Sumerians would be noted as observers of human civilization, making the term Watchers an accurate description of them; however, I wonder if there was an additional meaning to this term--maybe lost in translation from an ancient language--a layer of definition that included the more tangible, literal behavior of grays possibly performing staring procedures to exert control on abducted humans back in ancient times. What the author of the posting described of the Sumerian account of (I'm paraphrasing here the sons of gods intermingling with the daughter of men, and the children of Annunaki creating a man modified with their spittle and clay, and placing this being in a female (human), seem to me strikingly similar to Dr. Jacob’s description of the prevalent breeding and hybridization aspect--and core mission behind--the contemporary UFO abduction phenomenon.

Thanks to ExoByte for taking the time to share this very interesting and compelling account. I am persuaded that it is a topic worth much more study.

- Rionifics