I'm not sure if a hunger strike would work but anything is worth a try in Fascist America, there are many other acts of peaceful civil disobediance that could be employed that might have a greater impact than a hunger strike.

But something has to be done for the true American patriots to get there country back. I just hope they have enough time to achieve that end.

I've flagged this thread, and I've starred it. I only wish I could Digg it.

Awareness needs to be made about this whole thing. If the organizers were smart, they would be holding this hunger strike everywhere. Somebody else said they would be glad to go, if they were near Washington DC. There are likely thousands of people who would be willing to participate if it weren't for the same problem.

Not everyone can afford to make the trip, sadly.

Imagine the effect this would have if, in addition to a few thousand people in Washington, there were a hundred or so people in each State Capitol and major city. It would be impossible for the media to be hush-hush on it, because it would get attention from local media outlets that are more difficult to keep under the umbrella.

Local reporters doing stories on the hunger strikes in their town would discover the larger hunger strikes going on in Washington and in other cities, and the information would be brought to the masses.

And to people calling a hunger strike worthless: Please, play me a game of chess sometime. We can make bets on it. I'll make a fortune because clearly you do not think ahead, at all. A hunger strike does nothing directly to the people you are protesting against. What it does, is create attention for your cause that cannot be ignored by the clueless sheeple who normally just go about their lives. It awakens others to the plight they are so blindly trapped in.

And that's what's needed: People who are aware. A majority who are aware.

Originally posted by Trustnoone1987America does not want to come across like that, America wants to look good to the other nations so they can justify wars and whatever ever else needs justification by doing it in the name of Democracy.

I know I said I wouldn't waste my time pointing out the OBVIOUS flaws in the ridiculous drama ppl want to carry out, but what I *will* do is point out other areas that could be more effective in the pursuit to restore our constitution.

EDUCATE yourself and others. Key word in the above quote is "democracy." We are meant to be a consititutional republic which is a FORM of democracy, yes.. but far from the intent of a pure democracy.

Well OVER half of the country isn't even aware of this. Ask them.. what is the system of government we are under here in this country and most (including many of those starving themselves in the self righteous cause) will answer "democracy."

Please tell me that those posting on this thread in favor OF this "starvation for constitution pity party" know this. Please tell me that you can explain to me the VERY important differences between a Consitutional Republic as opposed to a pure democracy.

Explain to me what war played a major key role in the losing of our foot hold over the government in order to make them comply with the constitution. It is a war that more often than not is misperceived to have been about something else that certain Americans whine over loudly and ridiculously these days.

Is minimum wage constitutional? If you say yes, quit starving yourself.

Is welfare constitutional? if you say yes, quit starving yourself.

Do teachers have the right to arm themselves? if you say no, quit starving yourself.

Can I smoke some dope and snort some coke in my home should I so desire? If you say no, quit starving yourself.

Can I burn the flag and drag it around in the mud if I want? If you say no, quit starving yourself


If you have answered any of these questions in the manner that lines up with me saying "quit starving yourself".. you have no right imposing guilt on anyone in favor of the constitution. Go home and educate yourself on the document that you are claiming to be starving yourself for.

ONe more thing for those who want this country back to its original intent. The constitution only wrote out what you already have the right to do. No one can give it to you bc it is already in your possession at all times.

The right to choose what is right for *your* life is, has been, and always WILL be in your possession already.

If you have to go protest for it, then *you* have already given it away.

It wasn't stolen from you and me and everyone else in America. You are placing your rights into their hands by assuming you can't do anything but appeal to them through guilt and/or protests.

Essentially this starvation protest shows that there is a major lack of understanding in what the constitution really stood for and meant to the founding fathers and what exactly we were given by them. Not rights for our lives but the protection for those rights. *sighs*



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Originally posted by Trustnoone1987I am not being sarcastic at all. That was a great post and I am glad you decided to post again even though you said you were done. I would like to know and I believe someone else asked you earlier what your more "mature" ways of restoring the constitution would be? And to be clear I have said in multiple posts now I don't think a hunger strike is the best way to fix the problem, but it is a step in the right direction.

I have not taken anything you said as sarcastic. I can't tell you what to do other than educate yourself first. That is the point. We have been given everything we need by our founding fathers to not put up with what we have been putting up. The problem is though that most are so uneducated about what we were given.

Stated clearly... WE WERE NOT GIVEN THE RIGHTS. That we were born with as is everyone no matter where they are at any given time. The writing it out in the constitution was done bc ppl feel they need those rights given to them. So, they wrote it and gave it to us.

They did not put stipulations on the 2nd ammendment so that we wouldn't HAVE to appeal to "them." To appeal to them says we agree they hold our right to pursue happiness in their hands. They don't unless you put it there.

I would rather die personally then beg our government to uphold something that I already have... the right to do with my life what I will.

Not enough ppl know this and what should and can be done, won't be done. Protests will continue and ppl will still continue to believe that the gov't holds all the cards in their hands for their life and blah blah blah.

I accept for the time being that ppl are going to have realize first that what they are doing is effectively ineffective... effective for the gov't and ineffective for us because ppl will give up and feel they have no choice but to hand over more of their rights.

In the meanwhile, I try to educate and encourage ppl to educate themselves. It has to be understood that:

#1. The government only owns us as long as we believe they own us.

#2. We are not protecting a piece of paper.. that piece of paper was onlyl representative of what your rights should have already been when you were born and to appeal to anyone else for that is pointless.

#3. The 1st and 2nd ammendment were placed as 1st and 2nd for a reason. To use one without the other will be ineffective for maintaining freedom. Educate and understand... that, above all right now will be the most effective thing a person can do. Next is covered in the 2nd ammendment.

Unfortunately we have along way to go in the way of the 1st ammendment. Starving yourself is not educating or understanding. It is appealing. That wasn't covered in the original constitution.

Couple of points:

The "whining" of Ghandi and his compatriots lead to independence for India and Pakistan.

Can the Boston Tea Party be considered as "bratty" behaviour? After all, it was just a bunch of guys dressed in costumes, destroying and vandalizing property because they didn't get their way.

Invite some anarchists to your party and get rowdy. Then when they shoot you you'll make good martyrs for the cause. I doubt a hunger strike will get you anywhere but a crowd of dead civilians gets headlines.

People want tyranny. people love to be brainwashed and dominated and extorted for all that they have. They like the chains of slavery. People are sheep. I stopped giving a crap about them a long time ago. The only people you can affect are individuals. With speech. So whats the point. If you lack the ability to directly confront your dominator and reverse the roles then you better get bloody happy with bending over and recieving what the government wants.

Originally posted by CAP811
Couple of points:

The "whining" of Ghandi and his compatriots lead to independence for India and Pakistan.

Can the Boston Tea Party be considered as "bratty" behaviour? After all, it was just a bunch of guys dressed in costumes, destroying and vandalizing property because they didn't get their way.

Well lets be real here shall we? Here are the facts of what ghandi did to help change India:

1. He encouraged Indians to buy Indian goods and boycott British goods.

2. He organized strikes.

3. Encouraged the Indians and participated in refusal to pay taxes.

4. Another method was participation and encouraging others in refusal to respect colonial law.

5. He taught the Indians to be self sufficient.


See, his movement was not one of sitting around starving himself to guilt the world into looking at his and the Indians cause. Not in the LEAST. He taught them to rely on themselves. He taught them to NOT let the terms of their lives be dictated to them. His way did not come without consequences or uprisings against the cause. He was imprisoned and communal riots ensued.


People have a distorted view of ghandi and what he did to help lead India to independence from britain. It wasn't a passive movement... it was a non-violent non-cooperative movement.

THe hunger strikes were never showy and were mostly for refocusing his attention on the cause. He DID go on a hunger strike for the purpose of TEACHING and persuading the villagers to become self sufficient... but NEVER to gain support from the world or from a government through guilt.



This "liquid diet" by americans to gain the attention through guilt of the world would have ghandi rolling over in his grave considering what he REALLY did to lead the Indians to independence from Britain.


The Boston Tea Party would have been more in line with what Ghandi was encouraging to gain Independence.



Bunch of dependent little babies.... "look at us! look at us! we are starving on our liquid diets so we can get our independence back"




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I thought it was just the people in the UK who were getting the finger from their Government. Nice to know we have company

One thing is for sure...you and Scorched Earth are not the only ones who will feel this way. I know my in-laws would agree with you wholeheartedly - although they would see no reason to protest the government. In their eyes, Bush is in charge and all is right with the world.

Chances are you are right...most people will be put off by this and will consider them a bunch of babies crying for their bottle.

I can't remember if you made any suggestions as to what people should do to fix the problem. Maybe its a course of action we can follow.

Originally posted by CAP811
One thing is for sure...you and Scorched Earth are not the only ones who will feel this way. I know my in-laws would agree with you wholeheartedly - although they would see no reason to protest the government. In their eyes, Bush is in charge and all is right with the world.

Chances are you are right...most people will be put off by this and will consider them a bunch of babies crying for their bottle.

I can't remember if you made any suggestions as to what people should do to fix the problem. Maybe its a course of action we can follow.

Attention needs to be brought to the HUGE problems created by the bush administration.
Illegal wire tapping
extraordinary rendition
torture
illegal prisons
myriad of misc. Constitutional violations
illegal iraq war
no fly lists
executive orders
removing the windfall tax for oil companies
refusal to reign in oil companies
etc...

Whether this demonstration is the best idea or not is debatable HOWEVER, nobody has come up with a better idea and doing nothing and ignoring the destruction of our country will not make the problems go away. If any of you have a better idea, lets hear it.

Originally posted by CAP811
One thing is for sure...you and Scorched Earth are not the only ones who will feel this way. I know my in-laws would agree with you wholeheartedly - although they would see no reason to protest the government. In their eyes, Bush is in charge and all is right with the world.

Chances are you are right...most people will be put off by this and will consider them a bunch of babies crying for their bottle.

I can't remember if you made any suggestions as to what people should do to fix the problem. Maybe its a course of action we can follow.

Yes I did.. and you obviously have only read my replies to you. I am very clear how there is an obvious misconception of what ghandi ACTUALLY DID to help the Indians gain freedom from britain and it didn't involve hunger strikes in the way that is being implemented here.


And to the poster above you...

I feel that I understand SE's frustrations well enough to speak for him although as anytime, he can always correct me if need be.

Neither of us are against the constitution. I know he is understands it more than most on this board and the only reason why you don't understand his posts is bc you don't understand the constitution.

Going on a hunger strike (or as it really is.. a liquid diet) for the purpose that has been cited is not only counterproductive to what the constitution represents, but it shows that you don't understand its intent AT ALL!

So, to read the posts saying we are starving ourselves so that we can show the world that we want our government to give us back the rights stated in the constitution is silly to the point of being retarded.

Niether of the things you have listed.. the hunger strike (liquid diet) or petition does ANYTHING to help gain the independence you want.

You are trying to appeal to the governements or at best to the ppl of the world.

If it is the first option, the governments, you are wasting your time and your energy doing this. They don't give a *snip* if you starve yourself so long as you keep believing that you have to appeal to them in order to gain your rights as a human being.

If you are trying to reach the ppl under the govt's, how is starving yourself doing any good? The most productive thing we can do in america is lead BY EXAMPLE through learning self sufficiency and not relying on our government to dictate the terms of our lives anymore....

HENCE THE REASON ghandi said "YOU MUST BE THE CHANGE YOU WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD."

All you are doing by going on your liquid diet is making a joke out of this country and what it was intended to be.

My previous posts have already cited what we told to do via the constitution when the gov't tightens its grip. No doubt you will choose the more pathetic approach though rather than doing what it takes to make a REAL change.

People would rather APPEAR noble than actually BE noble.