Large Debris Field, No Bodies, No Large Plane Parts. Flight 93? Think again

reply to post by Grafilthy

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The debris outside the crash area was all light debris. Papers, nylon, things of that nature. The NTSB states that this would be expected with an 11 MPH wind.

Truthers have yet to show any evidence to refute this.

You have proven nothing. I saw your transcripts. And unless the NSA has a department for slow adults, i highly doubt you work for them. so you havent even sent a request yet? BTW that is your exact words. You are starting to get caught in all your lies. So a couple days ago, you state that you indeed filed the request. We then ask you for the control number, which you respond " there is not such thing as a foia number." You actually goes as far as make a number up, which we track, and low and behold, it has nothing to do with 911 nor was not requested by a Roger Mis*** aka ultima1. So now you are changing your story to an email, how convienient. Let me guess, I am immature. You really need some mental help, I advise you to check into the nearest mental institution.

I knew you were too immature to figure out some of the courses on the transcript even have NSA in the name. Also the NCS courses can only be taken by someone who works at NSA.

Thanks yet again for proving how immature you really are.




So when are you going to learn to read?

I have sent the FOIA and i am waiting for the response to have a request number (But you would know that if you were an adult and filed FOIA and did some research) But i could show you the e-mail and you would just show how immature you are by ignoring it like you do anything that does not agree with your media fed fantasy.


SO HOW OLD YOU FOR REAL?



[edit on 20-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

reply to post by ULTIMA1

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How about some of the other FOIA requests you claim to have sent? What are those numbers. You claim on other forums over a year ago you sent these requests. Want me to post links to some of your other FOIA requests? You are full of it. You may not even be that person on those transcripts. What was the number on this one, it was allegedly requested by you almost a year ago.


[edit on 20-8-2008 by tide88]

"Passengers

Among the dead were four executives of the Chevron Corporation USA. They were James R. Sylla, president of Chevron U.S.A. Inc., the company's domestic oil and gas subsidiary, and Owen F. Murphy, Jocelyn G. Kempe and Allen F. Swanson, all public affairs executives of Chevron U.S.A. from Southern California. Other fatalities included Wolfgang Studemann, a West German physicist and space scientist who was the director of the Max Planck Institute for Aeronomy in Lindau, West Germany and Dr. Neil Webb, president of Dominican University of California.[1]"

Some interesting people died in this particular flight. Perhaps there was no disgruntled employee, only a Ground to air missile to silence a few powerful individuals who knew too much.

Thus the large debris field

Just like a believer always has to change the subject when cornered with the truth and facts.

How about responding to the facts that you are a liar when it comes to the transcripts i posted. I guess you are also calling the people that know i am telling the truth liars too ?

That is exactly the response I was expecting. I don't know those people you are talking about. I said I saw your transcripts, how does that make me a liar? What is the FOIA request number for your previous FOIA requests. You can easily post them and I can easily verify them. After you do so, I will admit I am wrong to however you wish. However, I put those chances of you actually having submitted FOIA request at 0-none. Look like the web of lies you are posting all over the internet is finally catching up to you. BTW, how did your lawsuit against ebaums world go. To think someone would actually threaten a lawsuit for getting banned from a forum is one of the most pathetic things I have ever heard. You really need to get out more.





[edit on 20-8-2008 by tide88]

reply to post by Retikx

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Can you read Retikx? Did you look at the evidence?

Oh, how silly of me to think a truther would want to look at evidence.

Your opinion is like a rectum - everyone has one and are full of crap!

Now explain how Flight 93 taking off from Newark at 8:41 am flying
to Cleveland where it was hijacked at ~9:28 - 9:30 then crashing
at 10:03 am in Shanksville where you can land a fully loaded 757
disembark the passengers, take off again in 1 hr 20 minutes.

Not even close. An aircraft does not have to break up in flight for paper items to survive. No fireballs like we saw are going to consume EVERYTHING on board an airliner.

Hey Throat - read this. Article on the SPANAIR crash this morning

Check out the "money quote" where witness said didn't see anything
looking like an airplane at the scene!




www.airdisaster.com...

Dblepost


[edit on 20-8-2008 by IvanZana]

reply to post by thedman

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I read that this morning. What a tragedy huh? I did read that quote on MSN this morning and was going to post it. (no access to ATS during work hours.)

As you can see, no plane crashed in Shanksville. Do you think your words change the evidence and picture below?


The grass is unbroken and unburnt where the wing is said to have hit.
The official trajectory of the craft does not match the eyewitnesses who saw something small like a cruise missile and not a comericial airliner. The explosion broke the trees and burnt the tops.







As you will see in this next picture, as they dug multiple feet deep and wide, there is still no evidence of an aircraft crashing let alone a massive Boeing 757.




The airforce were conducting multiple live fly airline hijackings and cruise missile intercepts over Pennsylvania on 911. Eyewitnesses confirm the use of missiles, private jets and military jets before and after the 'crash' of hijack plane 93. Research this. I dont lie.

The crash site and crater does not support the THEORY that a fully fueled Boeing 757 travelling at -600mph at only a forty degree angle . There is no evidence of such a crash occuring due to the lack of physical evidence and the lack of displaced dirt consistant with the volume and velocity of the aircraft in question.



Conclusion: Flight 93 Did Not Crash In Shanksville/Stoystown Pennsylvania on 9/11.

Ivan, your continued spamming of threads on here are not ever going to change the fact that Flight 93 crashed outside Shanksville, PA on Sept 11, 2001. Too many people were there that day, and in the days following, and know that what they were picking up were the shattered remains of both the airliner and the passengers.

Ya i agree. There is no evidence that supports that a plane crashed in shanksville.

The official fairty tale claims that the craft came in upside down at a 40 degree angle at under 600 mph into soft soil. It is expected through common elementary education that something the size of a Boeing 757, fully fueled coming in at less than a 45 degree angle at sub 600mph would burrow itself and burn surrounding grass leaving a crater much larger than the sizes of the craft.

[edit on 20-8-2008 by IvanZana]

reply to post by IvanZana

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Ivan...

step up now.

Please list ONE person that is a specialist in air disaster investigations that stated that the debris, crater, etc. was inconsistent with a plane crash.

YOU WILL NOT.

You will post your spam again and again.

Throw enough sh*t against the wall...soon enough some will stick... right?

Hey Ultima1 buddy, are you able to point to any evidence at all (a forum post you made, etc) dated before August 7th, 2008 indicating that you knew what a CRITIC message was?

Don't forget also that the email he is now posting as proof of his FOIA requests is actually dated after he was confronted and requested to provide detail on his FOIA requests.

But yeah, first it was a letter he was going to scan to prove his case and now it's mysteriously turned into an e-mail. Don't forget also that his first claim was that he filed an internal FOIA request which to me, given my understanding of the spirit of the Freedom Of Information Act, doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me. But that doesn't matter because next minute he claims he'd filed an internal request and a public request! One message he has the document, the next he's trying to get his hands on it.

Not a lot of consistency in his story.

I respectfully disagree on the assertion that the Case Number was proven to have nothing to do with Ultima1. That was a Case Number from the FCC, if I recall correctly. The date and number that he provded would also track with what was being issued by the NTSB at the time. I know Adam Larson's request was something like 200700296 and John Farmer's was 200700285, and they were requested in mid 2007. This was at a time when a lot of requests were being made with regard to the NTSB animations and information about the solid state recorders.

That said, however, there's nothing link him to that Case Number. I bet if you look long and hard enough you'll uncover another lie.