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Large Debris Field, No Bodies, No Large Plane Parts. Flight 93? Think again

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posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1


But according to YOU, you are also ending there which leads us right back to....what's the point of doing this at all?

[edit on 24-8-2008 by jfj123]

[edit on 24-8-2008 by jfj123]




posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 04:20 PM
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I never stated i was ending there.

The point of doing this is what it has always been, to find the truth.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 04:23 PM
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Again a reminder

There is no need to constantly quote the post above yours.

We can all read one post up

Semper



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 04:26 PM
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Never mind already addressed by other members.

[edit on 24-8-2008 by Cool Hand Luke]



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Cool Hand Luke
Did that piece of fuselage still have engines attached when it hit the ground? No. Flight 93 hit the ground still accelerating at a much faster speed than a blown up piece of fuselage.


1. Flight 800 hit the water at high speed with the eingines running.

2. Payne Stewarts Learjet ran out of fuel but still hit the ground at about the speed of sound.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1


Yes you did state you were ending there.

Here are your quotes.


Well it will be satisfaction enough to get it on forums like this to at least get believers like you to wake up and start thinking for yourself instead of living in a media fed fantasy world.


So here you're saying that posting here is good enough for you.


What do you think the media is going to do with it?
They will not publish something that debunks thier own story.

and

But too bad no one really pays attention to any of those media outlets. I mean how many people really pay attention to the Enquirer?

What i stated is that none of the MAIN MEDIA SOURCES would not publish it.

You're stating you won't contact mainstream media because they won't publish and since nobody reads or trusts all the other media outlets, you won't post there either.

So tell me, what does that leave you? Where will you take it from the forums. Please be specific so I know you're serious.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

1. Flight 800 hit the water at high speed with the eingines running.


What does that have to do with what I posted? I posted that in response to his picture of a piece of fuselage digging a trench into the ground.


2. Payne Stewarts Learjet ran out of fuel but still hit the ground at about the speed of sound.


Does Payne Stewarts crash look like the photo that IvanZana posted of a fuselage digging a trench into the ground?

Again my response was his pic that he posted of the trench into the ground. I should have worded it better but hey we all make mistakes.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 05:30 PM
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Hey Throatyogurt, I found this and thought this would be a good thread to post it in.

This plane crashed in Venezuala.



Yes I know it's very small compared to a 767 but I think it's relevant anyways.

The crash scene photos.











Source is in spanish. but it contains many more photos.

Edit: More info


Status: Preliminary
Date: 18 FEB 2008
Time: ca 17:00
Type: Cessna 650 Citation III
Operator: private
Registration: N385EM
C/n / msn: 650-0145
First flight: 1987
Crew: Fatalities: 2 / Occupants: 2
Passengers: Fatalities: 1 / Occupants: 1
Total: Fatalities: 3 / Occupants: 3
Airplane damage: Destroyed
Airplane fate: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Location: Caico Seco (Venezuela)
Phase: En route (ENR)
Nature: Unknown
Departure airport: Valencia-Arturo Michelena International Airport (VLN/SVVA), Venezuela
Destination airport: Puerto Ordaz/Ciudad Guayana-General Manuel Carlos Piar Airport (PZO/SVPR), Venezuela
Narrative:
The Citation III crashed and disintegrated in a field en route between Valencia (VLN) and Puerto Ordaz (PZO) in Venezuela


Aviation Safety Network


Citation III Crashes in Venezuela

By By Nigel Moll


HAI Convention News >> February 2008
Safety, Business Aviation



A 1987 U.S.-registered Cessna Citation III crashed in Venezuela on February 18, but details are scant. The accident is not in the NTSB database, and a spokesman told AIN this morning that the Board had no plans to dispatch an investigator to the scene of this accident on foreign soil. Unconfirmed reports say the airplane plummeted to the ground from FL330, killing the three people on board. Beyond telling AIN yesterday that the company had sent a representative to Venezuela to assist in the investigation, a Cessna official could not comment further on the accident. The aircraft, S/N 0145 and carrying the registration N385EM, was in the Flight Options fleet until it was sold in 2006, a spokeswoman for the fractional operator confirmed


Source



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posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 05:34 PM
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Thanks Cool.

Looks more like a missile to me though.


Good stuff Cool H L ... but you can bury these guys with evidence...most wont even look at it.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 05:51 PM
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looks like just another missile impact to me


It couldn't be a plane crash because that would be yet one more example of evidence against the "truthers", and we just couldn't have that now could we?

Remember, it's more important for them to get their way then be right



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt



Thanks Cool.


You should be thanking ULTIMA1 for this one. If it wasn't for his last post I would have not looked up more info on Payne Stewart's crash and ran into this little nugget. So again thank you ULTIMA1



Looks more like a missile to me though.





Good stuff Cool H L ... but you can bury these guys with evidence...most wont even look at it.


Well they are going to have to run into reality someday, might as well help them out



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

looks like just another missile impact to me


Yes and you can see we have many "experts" on what missile impacts look like on this board



It couldn't be a plane crash because that would be yet one more example of evidence against the "truthers", and we just couldn't have that now could we?


Evidence against the "truthers"? I've never heard of such a thing



Remember, it's more important for them to get their way then be right


No doubt Bush was involved with this plane crash and they will find any info they can to prove it, even if its made up



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 07:28 PM
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HOLD THE PHONE??!!!

Where the hell are the bodies??? No bodies... This plane was flown via remote control. All the experts agree!



[edit on 24-8-2008 by ThroatYogurt]



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 07:43 PM
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Breaking news !!!
As it turns out the plane that crashed never moved at all. In fact the bush administration slammed the earth into the stationary plane. I know this is unbelievable but I have a copy of a piece of paper that says a piece of paper exists that says this is true



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
HOLD THE PHONE??!!!

What the hell are the bodies??? No bodies... This plane was flown via remote control. All the experts agree!



Hold on there big guy, they found human remains along with the black box.

I used Yahoo's Babel Fish translator on that spanish website. It states:


The head of the Scientific Police in the Tiger, commissioner Miguel Navas indicated that the black box was approximately buried in the crater where the airship fell, to nine meters of depth. Also burnouts found pieces of human rest.


Translated Spanish To English Page

They found the black box 9 meters buried in the crater. Also although it is poorly translated here, other websites claim the plane nose dived into the ground.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 08:57 PM
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Nice pictures COOL

Had experience of actually to witness the crater left by such an impact -
LEAR 35 crashed just down street from me. As member of FD
responded to scene. As posted earlier walked the crash scene with
little sticks with flags to mark pieces of bodies for coroner to recover

Not whole lot left of human bodies after such an impact.

Plane in my case crashed into hard rocky ground so didn't dig a deep
hole - small pieces of debris sprayed around impact hole.



A twin-engine airplane crashed into a hillside minutes after taking off today, erupting into flames and missing a large condominium project and several houses by a short distance




At the site, at Rifle Camp Road and Washington Drive near the Great Notch Reservoir, Federal, police and fire investigators sifted through the remains. The parts of the plane were scattered beneath trees, shrubs and rocks, and the smell of jet fuel permeated the air. The residents of nearby homes and the condomnium complex said the explosion rattled their homes and the flames lighted the early morning sky.




Four people, two crew members and two passengers, were believed by Federal investigators and the police to have been aboard the Lear 35 jet. The police could not confirm the number, or identities, of the victims ''We're dealing with body parts, not bodies,'' Chief Joseph Ranney said. ''Identification will be very difficult.'' Airplane parts were scattered in small pieces throughout the site on Garrett Mountain. Flames Higher Than Treetops


query.nytimes.com...

Truthers seem to think a crash looks like a Wiley Coyote cartoon on
Saturday morning...



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by Cool Hand Luke


Hold on there big guy, they found human remains along with the black box.

I used Yahoo's Babel Fish translator on that spanish website. It states:




Cool Hand.... We all know the Jews run Yahoo. They set YOU up. NWO!!!!!!!





posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt

Cool Hand.... We all know the Jews run Yahoo. They set YOU up. NWO!!!!!!!




On the contrary, I work for them.


Not many people know that Yahoo first was named YaJew but felt it was a little too overt.


[edit on 24-8-2008 by Cool Hand Luke]

[edit on 24-8-2008 by Cool Hand Luke]



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 10:17 PM
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Are you guys done? Lol (burry burry burry)

Cant prove a plane crashed in Shanksville and you have just realized that there is nothing you can say or do to convince anyone that one did.

You have to be an imbecile to believe that a plane crashed in Shansville on 911. All the evidence says that one didnt. Now with that aside.

As you can see the pictures provided above of the lear jet crash shows what a plane crash looks like. As you can see in the image below , after some excavation there was still no plane found.



You have to realize that there are people that come to forums such as this one and try to debunk and obsefucate the truth concerning 911. They have yet to prove a plane crashed in 7 years.

If 911 was an inside job, then the debunkers that come here are aiding and playing accessory to the terrorists. Can someone say RICO act?

Research Flight 93 yourself. Use your common sense and talk to some experts like I did. I agree with their findings.

No Plane Crashed In Shanksville on 911





[edit on 24-8-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Aug, 25 2008 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by IvanZana
Are you guys done?


Never



Cant prove a plane crashed in Shanksville and you have just realized that there is nothing you can say or do to convince anyone that one did.


So you are saying phone calls, dna evidence, personal belongings found at the crash site, radar evidence, eyewitness testimony..etc are not evidence enough for you?


You have to be an imbecile to believe that a plane crashed in Shansville on 911. All the evidence says that one didnt. Now with that aside.


I'm glad you cleared that up becaue before this I didn't know where you stood on this issue.



As you can see the pictures provided above of the lear jet crash shows what a plane crash looks like. As you can see in the image below , after some excavation there was still no plane found.
img.photobucket.com...


When was that picture taken?

Let's compare 2 crash scenes. Here's flight 93



This is a picture of the psa flight 1771 crater.




Notice anything?

I think this video sums it up.




You have to realize that there are people that come to forums such as this one and try to debunk and obsefucate the truth concerning 911. They have yet to prove a plane crashed in 7 years.


The evidence provided in these boards apparently were not good enough for you because you seem to believe that all the evidence such as phone calls, eyewitnesses, etc.. are somehow tainted. I'm sorry if you didn't realize 95% of the plane was recovered.


If 911 was an inside job, then the debunkers that come here are aiding and playing accessory to the terrorists. Can someone say RICO act?


There has yet to be evidence convincing enough that 9/11 was an inside job. The evidence points to terrorists hijacking the plane and the passengers fighting back. Now you can live in a make belief world where islamic extremists do not want to kill americans but that does not make it reality.


Research Flight 93 yourself. Use your common sense and talk to some experts like I did. I agree with their findings.


I did research it. What experts have you talked to? What are their claims? What information do they have that has not already been presented?


No Plane Crashed In Shanksville on 911


So I guess those eyewitnesses are all lying? The phone calls fabricated? The body parts dumped at the crash site? The engine buried deep into the soil before those events transpired? The shreds of an airplane dumped there?

BTW IvanZana your posting style is highly suspect. In this thread alone you have posted the exact same post 3 times. So I'm wondering is it safe to say that repitition is your most valuable debating tool?



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