Originally posted by NOTurTypicalUmmm, Satan tricked Eve into eating the fruit that gave us those desires. God commanded them not to
eat the fruit that would give them the knowledge of good and evil. If you want to hate someone for that, hate the one responsible: Satan.
Alright, I'll play along as though there was proof of two ppl who were the first to exist in a garden where they walked and talked with god and had
magical animals that talked and magical trees that could affect not only their whole existence but the existence of mankind.
Let me put my bib on first though cuz I don't want my shirt getting drenched with my drool.
So *adjusts bib* first of all, I am gonna place my self into eve's mind. Adam comes to me and says "hey, just thought you should know that god said
not to eat of the tree over there.. the one with the very tempting fruit of it."
me: "uhm, did you ask god why?"
Adam: "well, no.. he said don't and so I am informing you."
me: "well, Adam, that is an awfully strange request don't you think? Would you mind taking me to god so that I can ask him why myself? I don't mind
complying with the command I guess, but I would at least like to have a reason so if I am ever tempted I can just remember the why"
Adam: "oh wait, he said something.. yeah, that's right. He said don't eat lest we will surely die."
me: "what's die?"
Adam: *shrugs* "I don't know eve, wanna go screw for a bit?"
YEARS LATER I am sitting in my favorite spot not far from the tree that I was forbidden to eat from when suddenly a magical serpent *walks* up to me
and says "pssst hey babe. whatcha doing."
Being a woman I feel flattered considering Adam has been gone spending a lot of time with god and I am feeling a bit like I am on the back burner,
although I love him and respect him.
Me: Not really much of anything. Just sitting here and thinking.
Magical Serpent: 'Bout what
Magical Serpent: Hey, see that tree over there, Ms. Thang?
Me: uh-huh.. Adam said not to eat of that tree cuz god said we would die.
Magical Serpent: Why would you die?
Me: I don't know. He wouldn't tell me. I don't think he really even knows. god just said don't eat of it. It is a strange thing to say "don't
eat from this ONE tree in the garden or you will die." I don't even know what die is? Is it something bad cuz they won't tell me?
Magical Serpent: oh, well I can't explain death to you because I am unsure myself. sorry. But I bet that you were just told you would die to scare
you away from it. I have heard some great things happen when eat of that delicious fruit.. You should try it and see for yourself.
Me: Oh no! I couldn't do that. They said not to (keep in mind eve is THE ESSENCE of innocence and naiveness).
Magical Serpent: Why can't you do it? Where are they right now anyway?
Me: Well, I can't do it because they said not to. Not sure, they have been spending a lot of time walking and talking in the garden. *sighs*
Magical Serpent: Come here *picks a fruit off the tree and offers it to eve*
Me: *hesitates* I am kind of curious what it would taste like. Gah, I wish they would have explained what die is and why it would happen if I bit from
this delicious looking fruit.
Magical Serpent: Why don't you go and ask them now?
Me: oh no. They don't like me to disturb them. I am too curious and annoying ..... at least that is the impression I get about what god thinks of me.
Magical Serpent: There is nothing wrong with that. You are created to appreciate, experience, and enjoy. Why don't you take a bite and find out. You
won't die.... whatever that means. Even if you do, it must be a great thing considering god doesn't want to share it with you. I bet it even makes
you like god and he is a spoiled brat who likes to be the be all end all on authority.
Me: I don't think god is like that. He loves us.
Magical Serpent: Are you sure about that? Who does he spend all of his time with eve? You even said that you get the impression he is annoyed by you.
Why won't he answer your questions about die? If it is really bad, he would have told you because he loved you and would want to ensure for your
safety that you did not eat the fruit by arming you with knowledge. But he didn't did he? He wants you to obey but refuses to answer your
Me: That is...... true. *takes the fruit from his hand (assuming it was magical enough to have hands) and polishes it with her finger while admiring
how yummy it looks*
Magical Serpent: You want to know don't you?
Me: Well, honestly, how could I not? I asked Adam to let me ask god what die is but he basically just shrugged me off and I haven't really been able
to pass this way without wondering what die is and why I can't eat of this fruit that looks to be the yummiest fruit of the whole garden.
Magical Serpent: Take a bite
Me: *rubs fruit on lips and notices something exciting in it* (and if this were me, considering my curiousity gets the better of me.... *bites*
of course she likes it and has to share it with her man.
fast forward to god giving out the punishments...... Why? What was the point of this?
Just to know that he was loved? Her sin was not eating the fruit.. her sin was going against a vague command given to her by god via her husband. No
explanations were given according to the bible. Just don't and she did because it was in her nature to be curious.
A "sin" would not have occured if god hadn't made it a sin by placing the temptation in their midst, making them curious by the drawing of
attention to the tree and its fruit and then telling them "no", and/or making the command period. God, according to the bible, set up the fall in
the most perfect manner he could.
Trust me.... I have two kids and I know that if I want them to stay away from something, the last thing I am going to do is draw their attention to it
in a negative way. Doing that almost insures that their curiosity will get the better of them and they will wait for the opportunity to sieze a moment
for feeding their curiosity.
Now, I HAVE deliberately set something up and told them not to touch it knowing the results so that I could teach them through experience. But there
is no ultimate punishment of banishment ever imposed during the time of training. I can see this as being a smart approach by a god..... but that
apparently is not the approach as told in the bible.
One chance and if broken *bam* ultimate punishment is imposed. And this is god we are talking about. Like I said, it doesn't take a rocket scientist
to know that if you put a curious innocent in front of something tempting and tell them "no touchie" they are most assuredly gonna touch UNLESS they
have previous experience (meaning an non innocent would understand). You really think god was that stupid to have set up their fall and not even
realize he had done so?? Are you telling me that I am smarter than god?
If you answer "no" to my last question, then god knew that he was setting up the fall, and if there is an ultimate punishment for it that can only
be excused if we believe in a man who was really god, lived thousands of years prior to us and is our saviour from punishment for experiencing, and if
we conform our lives to the mold set out (not even by this man jesus) in a book that's based on mens testimony and according to them is supposedly
inspired by god........... rest assured, if all this is true then this god is evil and not to be trusted. Men deal with other men more fairly then
that and the ones that do deal in this same way, even most christians will refer to as the "evil elite".
consistency and logic can go a lot further in saving your soul than buying what you are told to buy.