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reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 10:35 AM by Clearskies
reply to post by v01i0



Satan TURNED evil.
Of his own accord. God did not 'harden his heart' and make him fall out of love with Him.
Pharaoh would NOT let the Hebrews go and eventually God let him have his own way, without conscience! He didn't MAKE him do it, He just took away his feeling of guilt in his heart!

Without satan and fallen man, this world would be filled with God's goodness.
No disease, no murder, no evil whisperer suggesting things that are wrong to do...


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 10:40 AM by NOTurTypical
reply to post by v01i0



No my friend God isn't evil, God is pure Good. You actually mean to say that God is "Omniscient", meaning he has the knowledge of Good and evil. Logically speaking God could NOT be pure good unless there was evil to judge or contrast his goodness to.

God created Satan with the same free will he created us with and Satan decided he wanted to be God, wanted to be worshiped.

Remember that is how Satan deceived the woman in the garden, he told her she "Surely wouldn't die" and that she would "be like God".

The fruit from that tree once eaten wasn't evil fruit, it was the tree of the "KNOWLEDGE of good and evil".


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 10:44 AM by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by deathpoet69
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post by v01i0



FOR REAL, that is real talk right there. Brainwashed pigs!


No, that is a "straw man argument", it's logical promiscuity. What the OP did was create a false version of God and shot down that false version he created.

It's a logical fallacy:




The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
3. Person B attacks position Y.
4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.


www.nizkor.org...

Consider "position A" to be the Word of God as written in the Bible.


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 10:51 AM by NOTurTypical
reply to post by justamomma





It's a pretty screwed up concept to create beings to love you and then exercise your power over them when they question your authority and reason by casting them into some fire pit for all of eternity. This in itself makes no logical sense unless of course, god is also (at the very least) partially evil.


What would you think of a judge who arbitrarily decided who he would send to jail who were convicted of murder?

What would you call such a judge? Corrupt, unjust?

Exact same with God, he gave us his commandments, when we choose to ignore them or do things our own way anyways then he has to render punishment or else he wouldn't be just, he would be a corrupt judge.


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 10:54 AM by deathpoet69
reply to post by justamomma



having your creation fighting over each other is very fun!. people are so navie


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 10:58 AM by Clearskies
Originally posted by Geemor
if god created everything so he thence created evil as well, and therefore evil is part of him.

Originally posted by Clearskies

Pharaoh would NOT let the Hebrews go and eventually God let him have his own way, without conscience! He didn't MAKE him do it, He just took away his feeling of guilt in his heart!


oh no? you should read the bibble. in first or second book of moses, it specifically says that god did harden the heart of pharao so that he didn't listen moses. it clearly stands there in black and white!


'Hardening your heart' doesn't just mean arterial sclerosis or 'MAKING someone Do evil.
Mountainretreatorg
Can God endure with long suffering (patience) retraining man, and then end His patience and release His restraint as Judgment on Him, that God might be glorified in that? Absolutely! It's God's sovereign right to restrain sin in the lives of whoever He wants to Save, taking away our stony heart (Ez. 36:26) and giving us a heart of flesh. It's called His Grace, or sovereign right to have mercy on whomever He wants. Likewise, it's His Sovereign right not to take away our stony heart or to remove His hand of softening power that our hearts might grow even harder and as deceitfully wicked as we by nature want it. Man's wrath against God and his wickedness in this world, is used to Glorify God.

Psalms 76:10

"Surely the wrath of man shall praise God."
Indeed it will and has! And so the more obstinate Pharaoh became (which he was by nature), the more glorious the victory of God is as he leads the Children of Israel out of Egypt. Notice what we read just three verses later..

Exodus 9:16

"And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to show in thee My Power; and that My name may be declared throughout all the earth.
as yet exaltest thou thyself against My people, that thou will not let them go?"



Exd 7:16 And thou shalt say unto him, The LORD God of the Hebrews hath sent me unto thee, saying, Let my people go, that they may serve me in the wilderness: and, behold, hitherto thou wouldest not hear.



reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 11:16 AM by justamomma
reply to post by Geemor



Clearly that is the point of religion; to not think about things for yourself. To adopt the "moral" standard of someone else and to impose it on others. Perfect set up for disaster if you ask me, which goes to show.... god is evil
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