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The Plot Against Liberal America

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posted on Aug, 18 2008 @ 06:34 AM
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The Plot Against Liberal America


www.alternet.org

The most cherished dream of conservative Washington is that liberalism can somehow be defeated, finally and irreversibly, in the way that armies are beaten and pests are exterminated. Electoral victories by Republicans are just part of the story. The larger vision is of a future in which liberalism is physically barred from the control room -- of an "end of history" in which taxes and onerous regulation will never be allowed to threaten the fortunes private individuals make for themselves. This is the longing behind the former White House aide Karl Rove's talk of "permanent majority" and, 20 years previously, disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff's declaration to the Republican convention that it's "the job of all revolutions to make permanent their gains."
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posted on Aug, 18 2008 @ 06:34 AM
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Be sure to read the whole piece, as it's a great read.

Now, speaking as soneone who has many different political leanings, there is nothing I find worse than a rabid fanatic who just regurgitates the soundbites doled out by those they agree with politically.

We can see both sides of it on ATS every day - the smearing usually starts with:
leftie,
liberal loony,
commie
etc etc

on the other side we see the neocon smear produced with regularity.

When did we stop thinking for ourselves?

When did the politicians start to control our every thought and how we perceive a policy or issue?

It was with the rise of the MSM and when it turned into a purely money making entity, reliant on a certain type of politics to preserve its station and money making potential.

Politicians have used this to their advantage and we still see throwbacks to the mccarthjy era, where people were branded as commies for disagreeing with fairly extreme right wing issues.

I also happen to disagree with extreme left wing issues.

But that doesn't matter to those who want to stick a label on others.

It's a lot easier to barnd and ridicule someone for being a "neocon" or a "commie" than it is to address the points they make.

Finally, anyone who thinks that only having one side of the political spectrum is a good idea, should probably read some 20th century history.

www.alternet.org
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posted on Aug, 18 2008 @ 12:30 PM
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Liberalism can't be "defeated" it's build into our culture, and eventually it will be social conservatism that is "defeated". Now socialism can be defeated...but, sadly I don't think it will be. I just once...just once wish we could get a President that is socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Instead we have polar views from both parties unwilling to see that each have something right...but both have something wrong.



posted on Aug, 18 2008 @ 03:36 PM
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Bill Clinton was socially liberal but fiscally conservative.

Usually what people mean by "fiscally conservative" is cutting any and all social programs including social security. But I won't make the mistake of tarring you with the "conservative" brush even though I am a liberal who likes most of our social programs. That would be making the same mistake Budski was talking about. You may be someone who thinks we should balance the budget, and I agree there.



posted on Aug, 18 2008 @ 03:55 PM
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The problem with liberals is they are too cocky. Everytime they make a little headway like a Bill Clinton or a Nancy Pelosi, they proclaim victory and start flaunting wildly left idealism such as that big fat guy who hates america and made all them movies. Did they really have to put him front and center at their convention to rub it in? That really turns a lot of normal non-polarized citzens off and then the liberals sink back in their holes of defeat, the double election of GW Bush is a great example. Pelosi's terrible mismanagement of Congress is causing trouble right now. Obama should be landsliding McCain at this time in the election, even John Kerry put up better numbers but it is not happening, why? Because Pelosi backed down from every promise she made to get back the majority in Congress. The trust is not there.



posted on Aug, 18 2008 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by budski
We can see both sides of it on ATS every day - the smearing usually starts with:
leftie,
liberal loony,
commie
etc etc

Don't forget libroid.



When did we stop thinking for ourselves?

When did the politicians start to control our every thought and how we perceive a policy or issue?

Perhaps in some small minority this is the case but I think most people do think for themselves. The reason there are two main political parties is because this is how most people think. They are not following the party line, the party is following the people. Sure, sometimes it might go awry but in general I believe this to be the case.

So while it might appear that people have stopped thinking or that politicians have controlled the thought of others, I think it's just the opposite. People naturally will lean to the left or right and are not being brainwashed or controlled.



posted on Aug, 18 2008 @ 04:36 PM
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Personally, I am more concerned with the liberal american "plot".



posted on Aug, 18 2008 @ 04:37 PM
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What about couldntgiveafarkism how will that be defeated?



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