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Picking up sounds from Saturn

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posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Manasseh
The scientific community has be taken over by the "Freemasons" of the world.

I'm not talking about individual members, but the secret society as a whole, and it's offspring, such as the Order of the Eastern Star.

Back in the days of Jesus, there were those who walked with Jesus, and Jesus told them they were wrong on some things, and they left Jesus and formed their own society, in secret.


So in other words, you don't really have ANY logical reason to be making these claims, right?




posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:01 PM
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Its lik in religion theres alot of lies there aswell i dont see why they cant just tell us the truth for once.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by billyjoinedat2k8
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Its lik in religion theres alot of lies there aswell i dont see why they cant just tell us the truth for once.


The answer to that is quite easy: even if they did tell you the truth, you'd still have a need for a conspiracy, so you would reject the truth and concoct something else far more sinister and entertaining. Good thing that isn't happening just yet.....



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:08 PM
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What do you mean i would need a conspiracy i dont think we need them but they are there.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:11 PM
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Well, if you knew that people exist on Saturn, and that there is a war underneath our noses right here on earth, and that some in our government know exactly what is going on, but they feel that if they can eliminate those who stay faithful to God, by explaining our existence through science, would you not have a different view about why we have sooo many telescopes and devices pointing towards space,

when everyday human life struggles in existance, while these people live comfortable, government (tax payer) fed lives?

Why would they keep SETI secrets, if their intentions where honorable.

It's all one giant lie after another, but it is quickly catching up to them...

Personally, I feel sorry for those protecting the lies. Their existence is about to become their worst nightmares, literally.

And for those who lead simple, beatitude type lives, we will have to sit and watch them suffer, because we didn't do enough to try to get them to tell the truth.

Never give up.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:12 PM
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If you don't need them, then why are they fervently created out of the silliest of coincidences and factoids? For instance, in this own thread the OP incorrectly uses science to explain how sounds from Saturn must be hiding the "truth", and from that has gone on to suggest that the entire scientific community is lying to us. You're apparently in agreement with that, and yet so far I have heard not one plausible reason for believing this.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by Manasseh
Well, if you knew that people exist on Saturn, and that there is a war underneath our noses right here on earth....


Um, yeah. And again, how do you know these things?

Your posts sound great for constructing the next sci-fi short fiction, but the one thing you're not addressing, again, is why you make these claims to begin with.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:15 PM
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Thats such a good point if everyone opened up to the lies and acepted the truth the world would be a very diferent place


never give up
if more people had that attitude the world would be an EVEN better place

starred btw aswell



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by thrashee
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If you don't need them, then why are they fervently created out of the silliest of coincidences and factoids? For instance, in this own thread the OP incorrectly uses science to explain how sounds from Saturn must be hiding the "truth", and from that has gone on to suggest that the entire scientific community is lying to us. You're apparently in agreement with that, and yet so far I have heard not one plausible reason for believing this.


im trying my best to have an open mind unlike you as far as iv seen

and everythin cant be solved by science when will people understand this



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:21 PM
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If I told you I get instruction from God, you would not believe me.

Therefore, trying to get you to believe something as simple as a
little bit of inside info that I have about the reason for the
gigantic radio telescope in the southern hemisphere controlled by
people from the northern hemisphere would be a waste of time.

And time is not something we have a lot of..

I have told you the truth. I'll leave it at that.

Take a close look at the symbolism of the crop circles.

Signs, signs, everywhere there are signs for those with an open mind (and eyes and ears)



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by billyjoinedat2k8
im trying my best to have an open mind unlike you as far as iv seen

and everythin cant be solved by science when will people understand this


This must be the rote believer response to skeptics--"You just don't have an open mind". Sorry, guy, but there is a difference between being open minded and simply believing things without a shred of logical reasoning or evidence. Trying to have an open mind is being open to the possibilities of things, but not blindly accepting them as truths just because.

No one here is stating that science can solve everything. I certainly didn't say it. Stating that science is all a lie and science can't answer everything are not synonymous statements, are they?



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:32 PM
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The title skeptic is a dangerous one.

It seems to me, a skeptic these days is one who laughs at anyone who dares to challenge current scientific knowledge.

Scientist can't even find a cure to cancer, but they can tell you lighting is happening on Saturn.

I would suggest they point their efforts to something more beneficial to mankind, like helping out your neighbor, instead of trying to impress them with their useless knowledge of unknowing.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Manasseh
If I told you I get instruction from God, you would not believe me.


Frankly, no, I would not. Not because I don't believe people can talk to God, but simply because your posts do not elicit any reason whatsoever to give you credibility. You make blanket statements without support that logically do not follow, you attempt to use the very science you claim is all a lie as proof that sounds could not have come from Saturn, and you're still avoiding the question of any logical evidence or reason to believe in the things you apparently believe.



Therefore, trying to get you to believe something as simple as a
little bit of inside info that I have about the reason for the
gigantic radio telescope in the southern hemisphere controlled by
people from the northern hemisphere would be a waste of time.


You're right...because your rationale for believing one implausible claim involves having to believe in yet another, more implausible claim. This happens so frequently in ATS that it's a classic M.O. of believers. Their support for original claims requires more suspension of disbelief than the claim it's meant to support to begin with. By the time you get to some sort of original starting point, the entire foundation of such a claim is built upon a house of cards so utterly implausible and ridiculous that it boggles the mind that any rational person is expected to take it seriously.




Take a close look at the symbolism of the crop circles.

Signs, signs, everywhere there are signs for those with an open mind (and eyes and ears)


Ah, yes. Signs will always exist for those who are looking for them. What this demonstrates is how willing people are to believe in something, and how easily they will set aside logic and reason in order to protect that belief. It's not really a new thing: take a look at religion for more examples.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by thrashee

This must be the rote believer response to skeptics--"You just don't have an open mind". Sorry, guy, but there is a difference between being open minded and simply believing things without a shred of logical reasoning or evidence. Trying to have an open mind is being open to the possibilities of things, but not blindly accepting them as truths just because.

No one here is stating that science can solve everything. I certainly didn't say it. Stating that science is all a lie and science can't answer everything are not synonymous statements, are they?


trust me im a really open minded person you just dont think so just becaue im trying to have an op mind about something out of the ordinary



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by Manasseh
It seems to me, a skeptic these days is one who laughs at anyone who dares to challenge current scientific knowledge.


I applaud challenging current knowledge and seeking to think outside the box. But that hardly means any claim that is outside the box should be given due respect. Let's exercise some discernment here.



Scientist can't even find a cure to cancer, but they can tell you lighting is happening on Saturn.


And your point is what, exactly? For someone who is so apparently open-minded and seeks the truth, I would think you could see the value in continuing to explore and investigate the universe and natural laws. Are you saying all funding for NASA should be cut and redirected towards the medical sciences? Are you concerned all of a sudden about practical matters?



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:38 PM
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And now you're putting words in my mouth, aren't you? After all, I wasn't the one to call the other close minded, now was I?



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:42 PM
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Fair enough.

Don't think I don't understand how difficult it is to believe. It took me several years to come to grips with it myself.

But it is the truth.

I see that you want to believe, yet you fear being led down the wrong path, and I sympathize with that...

I'm an average guy, with and average job, and average family.

That is why God chose me. He is looking for those who can humble themselves into believing someone who is average.

You will see soon enough in the truth in my statements, and at that time you will be welcomed as if you were a believer all along.

Be aware, that instruction from God comes from those who you would be tempted to look down upon.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by thrashee
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And now you're putting words in my mouth, aren't you? After all, I wasn't the one to call the other close minded, now was I?



what do you mean the other close minded you lost me abit there

[edit on 4/20/2008 by billyjoinedat2k8]



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by Manasseh
I'm an average guy, with and average job, and average family.


If you're an "average" guy....you're making this stuff up and simply jerking around with the readers and members of ATS. I don't think it's possible to have an "average" job and yet be so incredibly ignorant.

My opinion is you're simply an average, run-of-the-mill TROLL.....and I implore the members that have some capability to reason, contemplate, and investigate, to ignore you and move on to other threads.

Please.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:57 PM
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You wouldn't be the first lost soul I've been called names by and laughed at.

But thanks for your informative input to the thread.

A measurement of your insecurities, perhaps?


Just wondering, how have I offended you so badly that you feel I deserve your arrogant rhetoric?

Or is that just how you treat everybody.

You must be a lonely individual indeed.

[edit on 17-8-2008 by Manasseh]



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