"Above my Pay Grade" Washington insider cop out?, page 2
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reply posted on 17-8-2008 @ 01:57 PM by TH3ON3
reply to post by RRconservative



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This is a tough question. how do you answer without immediately disinfranchising about half of the voters on either side. I would think long and hard before my answer, and it would proly be something like this...

Well being that this is a subject that warrants much debate from either side i would say this...The fact that I'm running for the highest office of the government should not be prdicated on whether or not I'm for or against something that I feel shouldn't have been allowed to be decided by appointed committies that are given to personal bias because of either idealogical or religious beliefs.

This is a very personal choice that whether right or wrong should be made by those who are responsible adults. I know there are those who would not vote for me if I say I'm for it, and also those who would vote for me if I were to support it.

That being the case, I will decline to answer and only tell you this...my father was a Muslim, but in due course I learned of the Christian faith and that is what I identify with as my religion. Should that make you feel uncomfortable because you don't believe in God? No. Because i also believe in separation of church and state, and I promise you that I will not make my decisions based on any kind of religious views, but upon that which is best for the American people through consult with advisers from every viewpoint and political affiliation possible.

So again, I decline to answer that question on the grounds that I'm an American citizen, and have the right to personal beliefs without threat of sanction because of those same beliefs.

Can I have a YEZ?

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reply posted on 17-8-2008 @ 01:59 PM by marg6043
reply to post by TheRooster




Nah, if president and face with big decisions he can do what bush did, just get our nation into a big war and everybody's mind will be off the subject for at least 4 years.

like that he doesn't have to answer to nobody, no even to congress.

That seems the new trend in washignton now a days.


reply posted on 17-8-2008 @ 04:36 PM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by JustTheFacts



It is a stupid question, BECAUSE the answer should not be an issue in politics.

the rights of abortion should never be decided by any form of government.

I disagree with Obama when he says it should be left up to the states.

It should be left up to each and every single woman on this planet.

If you dont' want an abortion. Fine.

But keep your nose out of other peoples business.

Every time some religious zealot comes at me to argue this issue - i picture the old woman setting in her window, on the phone, watching her neighbors all day long.

Get a life.
Stay out of everyone else's.

[edit on 8/17/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]


reply posted on 17-8-2008 @ 06:04 PM by marg6043
reply to post by JustTheFacts



Perhaps you should ask that question to God and Jesus themselves after all none of them left anything in the bible on how to monitor woman uterus and private parts and neither left anything specifically mentioning abortion.

So get a grip and Deny ignorance, the question was stupid in nature because it was for the purpose to raise debate, Obama was brilliant he didn't took the bait.




reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 03:21 AM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by muzzleflash



and you are correct.

You cna make a decision that effects you, personally, and be right every time

but when you're put in a position that effects millions of people, you have to learn to put aside YOUR religious views, because not eveyrone shares your religion

Forcing your religion on someone is fine - if you live in China.

In the united states, we used to have this ideal that "freedom of religion" was an inherent right to every citizen who comes or is born here.

But there are those people who would like to see that little right taken away.

Go figure.


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 04:22 AM by muzzleflash
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin



thank you for the reply, and i agree there are those who want to make these decisions for us

it is our job to make sure they cannot call the shots for us, and we the people as individuals can call our own shots in our own lives

self determination for the win



reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 10:01 AM by crimvelvet
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin



Excuse me are you saying he could not answer because he did not have the information to make a logical decision? But Obama did have the information

The Born Alive bill was sent to the Illinois State Health & Human Services Committee, Chaired by Obama
www.ilga.gov...

Therefore he did have the information to make an informed opinion and as chairman it WAS NOT ABOVE HIS PAY GRADE! He is seriously incompetent to run this country because he can not make a decision after being given the information. I do not want a president with an “above my pay grade” mentally


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 10:53 AM by TheRooster
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin



It takes two to make a baby. Here's where I have a problem with your post, and I'll quote you.

"I disagree with Obama when he says it should be left up to the states. It should be left up to each and every single woman on this planet. If you dont' want an abortion. Fine. But keep your nose out of other peoples business".

"Every single woman on this planet"? What about the man that planted the seed? What are his rights? If you argue he doesn't have any, why are so many men financially responsible for these children?


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 11:02 AM by TheRooster
reply to post by marg6043



Check your history, it was Congress that didn't say no to Bush. He didn't take this country to war, it went willingly after the towers fell. Why do you Bush haters just want to blame HIM for everything? He had PLENTY of help, he didn't do it all himself!


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 11:42 AM by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin
[more Science collects the evidence. Theologins discuss the philosophical, moral, and ethical implications of the evidence. The courts, which are an arm of the government makes the final decision, (which can only be overruled by another court or by the legislature passing laws which cleverly dodge the court's decision.)
Sorry Mr Wiggins, but you are wrong on this one.

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