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Originally posted by JustTheFacts
I surely don't support McCain ...I can see that my vote for McCain will not be wasted.
Originally posted by jam321
The above his pay grade on abortion comment will bite him in the butt.
McCain ran all around what defines rich.
Originally posted by jimmyx
please...no new taxes, no abortion, everythings black and white. sounds like bush II.
Originally posted by jsobecky
I don't particularly think that stuttering as a delay tactic makes one intellectual.
And I don't see lack of courage to make a decision as a "shade of gray".
You don't support McCain, but you're going to vote for him? That confuses me.
Originally posted by JustTheFacts
I surely don't support McCain ...I can see that my vote for McCain will not be wasted.
Originally posted by jam321
Don't try to sell me that the above his pay grade means he was talking about God.
WELL, I THINK THAT WHETHER YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A THEOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE OR A SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE, ANSWERING THAT QUESTION WITH SPECIFICITY, YOU KNOW, IS ABOVE MY PAY GRADE.
Originally posted by redmage
As for McCain, it seemed like his advisors told him; "No matter what he asks you, make sure to tie-in an anecdote from Nam.". He seemed to be using his P.O.W. experience as a serious crutch.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
From the transcript linked on page one:
WELL, I THINK THAT WHETHER YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A THEOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE OR A SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE, ANSWERING THAT QUESTION WITH SPECIFICITY, YOU KNOW, IS ABOVE MY PAY GRADE.
In other words, he can't say for certain. He's not God (theological perspective) and he's not a scientist (scientific perspective)... so he can't say when life begins (just as NONE of us can for sure). A very intelligent and honest answer.
Anyone who says they know is just fooling themselves.
Sorry it's not a "sound bite" that's easy to pop in your brain and digest. It requires a bit of thought and consideration to fully understand.
Believe whatever you like.
We need fathers to realize that responsibility does not end at conception.
so he tells me that answering the question of when does life begin is above his pay grade, but it isn't above his pay grade to tell me that fatherhood begins at conception.
Where is the theological perspective or a scientific perspective that fatherhood begins at conception?
1. a male parent.
2. a father-in-law, stepfather, or adoptive father.
3. any male ancestor, esp. the founder of a race, family, or line; progenitor.
4. a man who exercises paternal care over other persons; paternal protector or provider: a father to the poor.
5. a person who has originated or established something: the father of modern psychology; the founding fathers.
6. a precursor, prototype, or early form: The horseless carriage was the father of the modern automobile.
7. one of the leading men in a city, town, etc.: a scandal involving several of the city fathers.
8. Chiefly British. the oldest member of a society, profession, etc. Compare dean1 (def. 3).
9. a priest.
10. (initial capital letter) Theology. the Supreme Being and Creator; God.
11. a title of respect for an elderly man.
12. the Father, Theology. the first person of the Trinity.
13. Also called church father. Church History. any of the chief early Christian writers, whose works are the main sources for the history, doctrines, and observances of the church in the early ages.
14. Ecclesiastical.
a. (often initial capital letter) a title of reverence, as for church dignitaries, officers of monasteries, monks, confessors, and esp. priests.
b. a person bearing this title.
15. fathers, Roman History. conscript fathers.
–verb (used with object)
16. to beget.
17. to be the creator, founder, or author of; originate.
18. to act as a father toward.
19. to acknowledge oneself the father of.
20. to assume as one's own; take the responsibility of.
21. to charge with the begetting of.
–verb (used without object)
22. to perform the tasks or duties of a male parent; act paternally: Somehow he was able to write a book while fathering.
Originally posted by walkinghomer
why on Earth would Obama agree to such a forum.
Originally posted by jam321
so he tells me that answering the question of when does life begin is above his pay grade, but it isn't above his pay grade to tell me that fatherhood begins at conception.
But Barack Obama IS a father. So its not above his 'pay grade' to classify what he believes makes a good and responsible father.
One of the biggest reasons a woman chooses an abortion is because she cant raise the child on her own.
* Birth control (contraceptive) failure. Over half of all women who have an abortion used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant.5
* Inability to support or care for a child.
* To end an unwanted pregnancy.
* To prevent the birth of a child with birth defects or severe medical problems. Such defects are often unknown until routine second-trimester tests are done.
* Pregnancy resulting from rape or incest.
* Physical or mental conditions that endanger the woman's health if the pregnancy is continued.
Originally posted by ADisbeliever
"Please use abovepolitics.com to debate the merit of one political idealogy over another."
I might be looking at the wrong forum, but according to my browser, this IS abovepolitics.com. Fail mod is fail.