What Has Really Been Occurring In The Russian-Georgian Conflict, page 1
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Topic started on 15-8-2008 @ 04:49 PM by _Heretic

What Has Really Been Occurring In The Russian-Georgian Conflict


www.rense.com
A First-Hand Report By An American In Russia

Note: This article was written by a retired Lt.-Col. in the U.S. military, who is currently residing in Russia. His article here helps clear up much of the misinformation people have been fed by the sadistic folks in Washington who are trying to promote WWIII. -ed

In 1991, South Ossetia was promised independence from the Soviet Union, and the Georgian Republic. However, when Georgia became independent it saw an opportunity to grab some land, and the terminals for two major oil pipelines. Since Georgia is essentially bankrupt and an economic basket case, they saw this as a viable option.

It should also be understood that contrary to the 30 years old CIA report that is being circulated, Georgia is now over 60% Moslem, with Moslems controlling the government, and South Ossetia - which is surrounded on three sides by Georgia - is over 80% Orthodox Christian. This is something else that amazes me about Bush's choice of "allies."
(visit the link for the full news article)


reply posted on 15-8-2008 @ 06:09 PM by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by _Heretic



Read no further then " Georgia is now over 60% Moslem ".
a) I do not think that it is something wrong by itself.
b)However it is completely false. Check it for yourself. Search net for "demographics, georgia) and you will see that Lt Col was 500% wrong so about rest of stuff - i personaly would not be that relying upon it.
Retired US Lt Colonel living in Russia (already funny) does not know a lot about Georgia,apperently. Rense rules as usual!


reply posted on 15-8-2008 @ 06:23 PM by Dubyakadubla
reply to post by wayno



Georgian surprise military attacks on South Ossetia and Abkhazia on 8.8.08 makes a closer look at the controversial Georgian President and his puppet masters important. An examination shows 41 year old Mikhail Saakashvili to be a ruthless and corrupt totalitarian who is tied to not only the US NATO establishment, but also to the Israeli military and intelligence establishment. The famous 'Rose Revolution of November 2003 that forced the ageing Edouard Shevardnadze from power and swept the then 36 year old US university graduate into power was run and financed by the US State Department, the Soros Foundations, and agencies tied to the Pentagon and US intelligence community.


Who's Fooling Who in the Georgian Zoo


reply posted on 15-8-2008 @ 07:56 PM by _Heretic
well I in no way wanted to present this as a Truth or proof of the reality of the conflict

but I am noticing a trend matching this viewpoint on multiple fronts worldwide that have already been discussed at ATS, yet not all follow this trend either sooo... *shrug*

another thing I consider is that once Soviets reinvented themselves to become the Russia they are today, they opened themselves up to covert infiltration by her enemies to create dissent, especially in the states far from home

This is how engineered regime changes work, send in some guys to create dissent, train them and arm them, them help them overthrow their own gov in a coup, and replace it with a pliable puppet government sympathetic to their cause

this fits the mold as to what Georgia underwent, and the oil terminals ARE a prize but it is my own conjecture

Originally posted by wayno
I had the sense that Bush was going to initiate something sinister before the election but I had no idea what. This might be it.
It looks like all hell is about to break loose.


Me too, but maybe the Iran option didn't have much public or geopolitical support and this could be one of many contingent plans

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to
post by _Heretic



Read no further then " Georgia is now over 60% Moslem ".
a) I do not think that it is something wrong by itself.
b)However it is completely false. Check it for yourself. Search net for "demographics, georgia) and you will see that Lt Col was 500% wrong so about rest of stuff - i personaly would not be that relying upon it.
Retired US Lt Colonel living in Russia (already funny) does not know a lot about Georgia,apperently. Rense rules as usual!


I have read news which contradicts the demographic profile you suggest because he only said this Moslem population dominated in SOUTH Ossetia

Why do Ossetians want to break away?

The Ossetians are a distinct ethnic group originally from the Russian plains just south of the Don river. In the 13th Century, they were pushed southwards by Mongol invasions into the Caucasus mountains, settling along the border with Georgia.

South Ossetians want to join up with their ethnic brethren in North Ossetia, which is an autonomous republic within the Russian Federation.

Ethnic Georgians are a minority in South Ossetia, accounting for less than one-third of the population.

But Georgia rejects even the name South Ossetia, preferring to call it by the ancient name of Samachablo, or Tskhinvali, after its main city.


Source: BBC News

The article doesn't mention who the majority race is in S. Ossetia so I don't offer this as proof they are Moslem

peace


reply posted on 15-8-2008 @ 08:27 PM by pepsi78
Before any of this started, just to see how Democratic this guy and his goverment is.Police storming the tv station to shut it down.Of course it's all for democracy.



Haray haray...not to mention Americans were involved as victims.


What a bunch of BS , the democratic Georgia our ally blah blah blah and crap.People should aks their selfs.This happened before any war was going on.


reply posted on 15-8-2008 @ 11:15 PM by _Heretic
Not alot of new news bits in the last few hours but there has been some blogs and stuff that defend the Georgia stance

Soviet Style Aggression By Russia Worries West Invasion into Georgia Creates Fear Throughout America & Europe

Russian expansion into South Ossetia is the latest example of Soviet style aggression. 4 decades after the Prague Spring, Georgians feel today what Czechs felt in 1968.

Source

Russian Soldiers Loot Georgian Towns and Villages
Thursday, August 14, 2008

We have information from reliable sources that Russian soldiers along with North Caucasian bandits and South Ossetian separatist bands are looting Georgian towns and villages.

Source

This is a tale of US expansion not Russian aggression

War in the Caucasus is as much the product of an American imperial drive as local conflicts. It's likely to be a taste of things to come

Source

Group: Russians drop cluster bombs in Georgia

(CNN) -- An international rights group said Friday it has evidence that Russian aircraft dropped cluster bombs in populated areas of Georgia, killing and injuring dozens of civilians during the territorial conflict that has gripped the region.

Source

Digg: 92% of CNN readers: Russia's actions in Georgia - justified!

Source

I am finding more sympathizers for Russia than US/Georgia

if you find anything new post em up, I like balance



reply posted on 16-8-2008 @ 09:49 AM by thefreepatriot
reply to post by pepsi78



I just love how the media says police use high tech equipment to disperse crowd... and they are using batons! the spin machine is everywhere. Georgia is a terrorist state... plain and simple
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