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Russian Propaganda: Georgia Conflict Is Cheney's Plot To Stop Obama From Being Elected

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posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by Justice11
[Dead on dronetek.Ive been trying to warn people about enemy propaganda but im dismissed as a fear monger.No skin off my back since ive been proven right.America has enemies that seek to destroy her.The useful idiots comment is classic!


Classic huh? Just where is this proof that you are right? The enemies who seek to destroy her are the ones driving the bus! Oh how blind you are.




posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 08:26 AM
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My personal view of the whole situation we find ourselves in has everything to do with oil.
Why would Europe want to buy oil shipped over from the Persian Gulf when they can get it piped to them from Russia?
It looks like we have a deal with the Arabs to keep them rich, in exchange for not destroying Israel.
This is a conspiracy theory, but how else do you explain it?



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 10:25 AM
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Spot on - they are destroying a great nation from within by their greed.

The one and only reason cheney wants McCain to be elected is that he will keep the gravy train running - government by corporate decree will never stop whilst people like this are in power.

This is another reason why I think there may be more to this than mere propaganda - the russians are not stupid and are probably a little nervous about a bush clone being in the whitehouse for another 4 years at least.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 10:31 AM
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I got news for you all! There is no way in hell that Obama will win the election! First of all, Bush is going to stay in office and prevent the election from happening, second of all, no way in hell is America going to elect a guy that has three Muslim names and looks like the enemy! He is a freaking Muslim people!!! Don't get me wrong, I hate every Republican on this planet, but no way will I vote for the enemy!! I'm not voting at all for the first time in my life! How did we even make it this far? We are doomed!! Four years people! That's all we have left to live.... If any money hungry republican has a problem with me, F - OFF!!



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by doomsday2012
First of all, Bush is going to stay in office and prevent the election from happening...


Want to make a bet about that?



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 10:37 AM
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He isn't a muslim.

Full stop.

End of story.

He also doesn't look like "the enemy" unless of course you consider anyone with a non-white complexion to be the enemy.

People should be voting on the policies of the candidates rather than their appearance.

But I digress - this is potentially a very intricate story, with a lot of twists still to come.

With the OP's permission, I'll add news stories related to this as and when I find them



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 10:44 AM
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I didn't read all the post just the first one but, I wouldn't give Obama that much credit. That only a war would be able to stop his campaign, now that hillarys back on the polls I feel secure that Mccain got it. Just like Lincoln did when the other parties split the votes in half and lincoln got the majority.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Dronetek

Originally posted by AllSeeingI


www.timesonline.co.uk...

Russian Propaganda: Georgia Conflict Is Cheney's Plan To Delay Elections.

An interesting story I had to rush to post here for all ATS to see. It would not surprise me to learn that Cheney and the PNAC (Project For A New American Century) gang were up to something like this.

Does anyone honestly believe Cheney will let his power slip away without making a few more wicked moves?

Does anyone honestly believe US elections will go on without a hitch?

www.timesonline.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)


The truth is they push that kind of thing, because they know people like you will beleive it. The Russians know there is a real streak of anti-Americanism on the left and they seek to use it. In the past we have called these people "useful idiots".


EXACTLY! and wouldn't ya know it it's from the sharia Government of the UK. I don't listen to a thing their News says anymore, it's gotten worse than ours with their incessant anti American slant on everything. This story is appeals to all the 911 truthers and they'll eat it up.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by doomsday2012
I got news for you all! There is no way in hell that Obama will win the election! First of all, Bush is going to stay in office and prevent the election from happening, second of all, no way in hell is America going to elect a guy that has three Muslim names and looks like the enemy! He is a freaking Muslim people!!! Don't get me wrong, I hate every Republican on this planet, but no way will I vote for the enemy!! I'm not voting at all for the first time in my life! How did we even make it this far? We are doomed!! Four years people! That's all we have left to live.... If any money hungry republican has a problem with me, F - OFF!!


Oh man get a grip dude and put your magic 8 ball away or your crystal ball. Nothing like yelling the sky is falling and dignifying that silly article



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 11:22 AM
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This definately is something that has crossed my mind before. I was expecting them to start a war with Iran rather then Russia but who knows maybe they are just warming up and they will get to Iran while Russia is distracted.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 01:17 PM
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hmmm... McCain is ex-military... military means armed conflicts... armed conflicts used as scare tactics and sensationalism... scare tactics and sensationalism wins votes...

yeah not beyond the stretch of reality. I mean, Georgia's separation never sat well with Russia all this time and add in a US plant in the Georgian president and yeah... i can see it.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by Unnoan
hmmm... McCain is ex-military... military means armed conflicts... armed conflicts used as scare tactics and sensationalism... scare tactics and sensationalism wins votes...

yeah not beyond the stretch of reality. I mean, Georgia's separation never sat well with Russia all this time and add in a US plant in the Georgian president and yeah... i can see it.


Hey if he was good enough to be willing to spill his blood for you to say something so utterly ridiculous, he is good enough to be Commander in Chief ie; President of the United States just like George Washington Commander in Chief of the Continental Army
James Monroe: Major
Andrew Jackson: Major General
William H. Harrison: Brigadier General
Zachary Tayler: Major General
Abraham Lincoln: Captain
Andrew Johnson: Brigadier General
Ulysses S. Grant: Lt. General, Commander of all the Union armies
Rutherford B. Hayes: Major General
James Garfield: Major General (of volunteers)
Benjamin Harrison: Brigadier General
William McKinley: Major
Theodore Roosevelt: Colonel, Assistant Secretary of the Navy
Franklin D. Roosevelt: Assistant Secretary of the Navy
Harry Truman: Captain
Dwight D. Eisenhower: Supreme Allied Commander
John F. Kennedy: Lieutenant (j.g.)
Lyndon Johnson: Lieutenant Commander
Richard Nixon: Lieutenant Commander
Gerald Ford: Lieutenant Commander
Jimmy Carter: Lieutenant
Ronald Reagan: Captain

Your entire post is one big fat logical fallacy for assuming the consequent

[edit on 15-8-2008 by XIDIXIDIX]



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 03:14 PM
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Sounds more like Russian propaganda... I don't buy it for a moment... while cheney the dick is an evil little bastard I don't think even he could pull this off even if he tried.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 03:56 PM
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reply to post by Memysabu
Yes, I read what Putin has to say and sad to say we don't have his qualities here in our government, he's intelligent, a lot more honest and level-headed than Bush or Harper or any self-serving politician in our nation's capitals.

What he has to say makes sense, and its even sadder that only a few people in the West will ever know what he had to say, and that enough will follow George War Bush into Armageddon to make it 'too late' unless Bush and other neocons gets placed under arrest...




[edit on 15-8-2008 by star in a jar]



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 04:10 PM
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How exactly would Russia invading Ossetia prevent Obama getting elected?



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 05:12 PM
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Seeing as how Karl Rove has been flying to Georgia repeatedly instead of answering his subpoena by Congress, this idea that the Georgia conflict might actually be an October surprise isn't far-fetched.

Oh, and McCain mentions more drilling, gets a million bucks from Big oil for his campaign fund, and all the usual media pundits point to the "psychological factors" of this wonderful breakthrough as being the reason that gas prices went down.

The damn elections, and getting a crooked politician in office are the reason gas prices are going down -- and they will right up to the election. Then MAGICALLY, they will go back up.

I also expect that MAGICALLY, Georgia may end this insanity, after McCain says something bold and macho. I wait with breathless anticipation his amazing leadership.

I just hope with the ants nest the NeoCons have stirred up in Iran, Pakistan and now Georgia, that they haven't bitten off more than America can chew.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by unnamedninja
How exactly would Russia invading Ossetia prevent Obama getting elected?


More fear. More war.

Especially when Obama cannot make a comment on this, without looking uppity. Obama cannot take a trip to Georgia, and then say something powerful (powerfully empty and stupid) like Condi.

The radio is all a twitter with how powerful McCain has answered the call of leadership. Of standing tall and bellowing out to Russia; "go no further!"

While, Obama, meekly equivocates -- as if he had to take more time to research. No, when you are following the voices of God -- you do not need research. People want bold, decisive action, especially when the risks are great and their is no clear answer.

I'm still not sure of all the moves going on -- but it certainly does look like a problem the NeoCons created so that they could fix it. After all, it was James Baker who told Saddam it was OK to invade Kuwait. And then we went in and pounded the Iraqis with righteous outrage after hearing of the worst atrocities from the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter. Strangely, all the royalty in Kuwait was conveniently out of the country... and they helped put an end to any move towards Democracy. Good luck for BushCo and the Kuwait royals -- eh?

But all the evidence isn't in and we don't know the players,... I'm just making a prediction based upon past experience. History seems to repeat itself with these repeat offenders because they haven't gone to jail yet.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by grover
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Sounds more like Russian propaganda... I don't buy it for a moment... while cheney the dick is an evil little bastard I don't think even he could pull this off even if he tried.


The Bush Crime Syndicate with Dick Cheney Inc. is so damn good at pulling of "this sort of thing" that you still think this stuff is random after it has happened three or four times.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 05:48 PM
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I'm sure the attempt to fire up the Cold War again has a domestic political element, but it's much bigger than that. I think it's mainly being driven by American and European economic interests, especially the defense sector, with political benefits as a distant second.

Given the degree to which Americans are fatigued with overseas conflicts, promoting a new era of nuclear confrontation is a very risky political move.

I think, as much as I am actually sympathetic to the Russians WRT Georgia (their peacekeepers and civilians were killed - we would have invaded too...) I have to admit their hamfisted propaganda efforts (like this) make the neocons look absolutely brilliant by comparison.

There is a good BBC article on this phenomenon here.

Basically, Putin and his cohorts are so reflexively authoritarian they have no idea how to do a "soft sell" - and the neocon crowd does.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by St Udio
here's a 5 Star Article (imho) that contradicts the Obama spin....

in fact Obama is the frontman for the Brezizinski (sp?) led cabal
that has successfully, so far, drawn Russia into a conflict in Georgia

see: www.marketoracle.co.uk...


speculation is that Cheney has indeed engineered this Georgia initiated conflict...with the armed and trained Georgian army doing an unprovoked attack on S Ossetia (armed & trained by 1,000 US Marines & Israelis stationed in Georgia)


thanks


Man you should make a thread out of this article... really good find!



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