Originally posted by Tegmondy
well, 19 pages later and only 3 or 4 posts on the science.

It's pretty clear it's a hoax, but is the science possible? That's the topic now. Does anyone know if it is possible?

Going to sleep now. Hopefully a scientific evaluation of some kind may be posted by tomorrow evening.

[edit on 16-8-2008 by Tegmondy]

I think you are making up the grandfather part.
Not that he passed away, I don't know about that and of course knowing how that feels myself it is sad.
But the part that he left these to you in some mysterious chest.
I think you made these documents.Recently.
They are newly printed and the burns newly done on new paper with a brand new staple.
The question remains to me as to WHY you went to all this trouble to do this.
Then you ask many people on here about the science involved and if its doable.
Is this just some idea or dream you had and you want to get scientific peoples perspective on it to see if it could be achievable?
If so then you should have just put your ideas on here and asked opinions instead of making up a lie.

The science here is theoretically possible.

I'm 16 and i just read the sphere stuff in a book.

so the OP might have gotten this info from some books or something, it wouldnt be that tough.


Either that or his gramps had too much time on his hands


Does anyone else notice that WW3 is placed in 2008, and it would well enough begin this year seeing the worlds current situation?


just a thought...

One reason why this is complete nonsense is obviously people from the furture aren't going to be carrying around paper and writing with pencils and pens for the exact reason that these pages are incomplete and "damaged". The damage on the edges it too "on purpose."

It is interesting that at least two posters have weighed in and seem to think that the actual science/theory behind the time travel method discussed in this manual could actually be valid or possible. I hope the theoretical physicist who said he was going to look into the math behind the idea comes back with more information.

Like most I am skeptical as to the story behind the manual, and some additional information from Tegmondy would be helpful.

Here are a few questions for Tegmondy:

-Did your grandfather have a wife..your grandmother...who could shed some light on the mysterious manual.

-Did your father or mother ever hear your grandfather discuss time travel or have any reason to believe he was interested in this matter. Likewise did anyone who knew your grandfather ever know him to disappear for days on end or exhibit any strange behavior that would indicate a connection to this matter.

-Is is possible to upload a picture of the chest/metal box in which this manual was found.

-What profession did your grandfather work in before, I assume, he retired.

-Do you find it odd that your mother gave you this box without investigating the contents herself--I can't imagine one wouldn't be curious as to what is in it considering you said that during the days leading up to his death he said how important this chest and its content was. **This is a biggee to me, seriously, I would think that in itself would make anyone curious enough to look in the box before giving it away and saying it's probably nothing important.

-Are there any imprints on the paper itself that would indicate it was typed on an old manual typewriter...which normally left an imprint on the paper from the force of the key hitting the paper.

-Is it possible that your grandfather wanted to be a writer/novelist and this was the beginning of a manuscript that he hoped to someday get published.

-Did your grandfather have any other "odd" belongings he left behind that would make you think that he had any sort of mysterious background.

-Did your grandfather have any siblings...if so, are any of them alive--who could shed some light on parts of your grandfather's past that you might be unaware of...such as strange behavior, or even mental problems.

You have given a small amount of information and are wanting people to weigh in on whether the science behind the idea is possible, but I think many people are having a difficult time (and rightly so) divorcing themselves from the idea that this entire thing is a hoax and are therefore not paying attention to the actual time-travel idea posited in the manual. I know a bit of physics, but certainly not enough to give any helpful analysis of the "science" behind the idea in the manual. If you are serious about finding out what theoretical physicists think about the ideas in the manual I would suggest going to a nearby University and talking to a physics professor to get his/her input.

Any additional information would help to shed light on this I would imagine. I must admit I do find it odd that you have posted this curious manual and have followed up adding pictures when asked, but you don't seem to be forthcoming with additional information regarding questions asked you by fellow ATSers. If you want this to be taken seriously I think more information is needed.



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I love how every post trying to call this a hoax only focuses on the visual aspect of it.. we've had numerous people confirm that all things listed are possible... yet no responses to those posts. I'm not surprised....


[edit on 17-8-2008 by MurrayTORONTO]

Who cares about the grammer especially if our future is going to be like that in the film Idiocracy.. God i hope that isn't our future

Maybe this kid who originally posted was killed for his grandfather's actions of leaking this information.

That would explain his long absence in the thread and then sudden change of thought.


Hmm?

Originally posted by MurrayTORONTO
I love how every post trying to call this a hoax only focuses on the visual aspect of it.. we've had numerous people confirm that all things listed are possible... yet no responses to those posts. I'm not surprised....

Well, go ahead and what you think it means to the subject, rather than simply making a snipe at the critics. Go ahead. What's your opinion? That it's real and true information presented in an obviously bogus document? Explain it to us.

Originally posted by joecamel
It's fake. No government issued manual to teach people about how to time travel would misspell "personnel" and open with "the want to travel through time was a lovely desire."

Maybe in the future, the English language has evolved and changed so that these are not errors in whatever time this might be from? Spellings variate and change all the time.

Since some can't remain civil and post accordingly.

This thread is temporarily closed, pending staff review.

Originally posted by Nohup

Originally posted by MurrayTORONTO
I love how every post trying to call this a hoax only focuses on the visual aspect of it.. we've had numerous people confirm that all things listed are possible... yet no responses to those posts. I'm not surprised....

Well, go ahead and what you think it means to the subject, rather than simply making a snipe at the critics. Go ahead. What's your opinion? That it's real and true information presented in an obviously bogus document? Explain it to us.

That's not what I meant.
It's the people that come in here, state that it's only one way and can't possibly be the other, they don't give reasoning on their opinions, and they aren't open to hearing others.

THOSE are the people who don't belong here.