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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
I personally see no reason to argue with a wall. You can use "Talmudic" "Jew" "lie" combinations as you like, you can call me what you like. Truth after all matters little to you - as i said, if you were interested in it you would check what Talmud is since large parts of it are available ON-LINE. In ENGLISH. You could also check how Torah is treated and how Talmud is. In religious ceremonies, in mistake-proofing. Torah is written by hand on a scroll, if any mistake arises whole scroll is gone. If Torah scroll falls in synagogue - all people should fast. End of Torah-reading cycle is a holiday. Talmud is mass-printed, not good to drop it but nothing is expected, end of Talmud-reading cycle is a celebration. See the TINY difference between holy and important? But hey, i actually try to explain something to you. You again will prefer to disregard it and claim that it is really secret - nothing will help here. Continue to see those Talmudic Jews everywhere and go on exposing those "lies". Ignorance rules.
I personally would not comment on any religious (or other) book if i did not read it first. But thats me, racist awful discriminating Talmudic Jew. What it makes you though? At least Hoffman read it.
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
I have read Hoffman's book and a selection of his other works. He's a remarkable thinker. There is a tremendous amount of primary source research and new interpretations brought to light and analyzed from a unique perspective.
Unfortuantely Hoffman's conclusions, here, and his other writings, invariably are overtly paranoid delusional.
This new book is his compulsively orchestrated masterpiece. A check of his own website leaves little question he considers himself a persecuted arch-revisionist.
" Hoffman's self-described vocation is "researching the occult cryptocracy's orchestration of American history." He believes that this cryptocracy runs American history, controlling culture and thought via ritualistic psychodramas and killing sprees. Examples of such "psychodramas," in Hoffman's view, include Route 66 (which connects various centers of Satanic importance), and the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy
Hoffman also contends that the British Empire might have achieved its power via a pact John Dee made with the Devil. "
Hopefully someone will someday re-assemble his hard-earned contributions and new data into a less agenda driven and more objectively coherent fashion, so the world might benefit it.
If anyone says he's nuts, I won't argue with them.
On August 10, 2008, Hoffman released Judaism Discovered (2008). Judaism Discovered (1102 pages) is an expanded version of Judaism's Strange Gods (144 pages). Amazon.com had initially ordered eleven copies of Judaism Discovered for sale on their site. The order was abruptly canceled due to what Amazon.com referred to as a complaint of the misuse of "intellectual property rights" involving Hoffman's publication of e-mail correspondence from Rabbi Shaul Praver. Hoffman used Praver's name as an endorsee of his Talmudic scholarship, without Praver's permission. Praver protested the use of his name as an endorsee but not Hoffman's right to express his views under the first amendment. Praver made his concerns known to Hoffman directly as well as to the legal department at Amazon. Hoffman subsequently wrote in his publisher’s blog that he did not know the identity of "The Rabbi" who had blocked him at Amazon and went on to allege that an unknown Rabbi had the power to unilaterally deny him his first amendment rights. Hoffman cited this as an example of how Jews control the media. The Amazon Law department agreed with Praver that Hoffman's first amendment rights were not being denied. Hoffman had the option to remove from his book the unauthorized use of Rabbi Praver's name as an endorsee of Hoffman's alleged Talmudic expertise and Amazon would have continued distributing his book as originally agreed. Instead Hoffman chose to cite the incident as an example of how Jews have the power to censor the Media.
"...In this case, as is obvious from the correspondence of both Mr. Garver and of Rabbi Praver, our decision to suspend sales has nothing to do with the content of your book. Rather, it stems entirely from the fact that an individual whom you claim endorsed your book alleges that the endorsement misstates or portrays his views in a false light."
The following seventeen words attributed to Rabbi Praver appear on the back cover of Judaism Discovered:
"Shalom L'chovod Reb Michael: There is no question in my mind that you are a Talmid Chacham."
...Rabbi Praver did indeed make the statement that this writer is a Talmid Chacham in an e-mail of June 5, 2004. His e-mail of June 5, 2004 was not marked private or confidential; nor did it in any other way convey or connote an understanding that it was private or confidential e-mail. It is therefore in the public domain.
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Here are just some of the eye-opening verses of the Talmud and its brazen hatred of Christianity, gentiles, and non-Jews
Originally posted by Rambam42
I am thunderstruck by the ignorance displayed by certain posters on this thread who erroneously believe Talmud to be this evil document that controls everything we as Jews do and mandates our dealings with both Gentiles and other Jews.
Diogenes7 is wrong. Pure and simple.
I myself haven't finished reading it, and I have a gorgeous Artscroll set of the Babylonian Talmud (called that because it was compiled by Jewish rabbis in present-day Iraq) sitting on the shelf not four feet from where I'm sitting right now. But I'll hazard a guess that I've read a heck of a lot more of it than he has.
After all, the poster seems not to be aware of how the Talmud is written. A page has, at its center, a passage from the Torah. Surrounding the passage are various opinions, and that word needs to be emphasized, of the various scholars as to what it means and how it applies. And strangely enough, it's not unusual to find conflicting opinions on the same page.
When one considers where this passage is located in the Talmud, Tractate Ketubot, and the various opinions that sit along side it, it's fairly clear that this refers to dowries and marriage contracts, and not any sort of legal or criminal matter.
The legal/criminal end of child molestation is handled in Tractate Yevamot. The passage reads, "One who seduces an underage girl is considered as if he had raped her (i.e., the laws applicable to rapists would apply to the molester)." In other words, the molester is looking at getting stoned, and not in that way we humans find so agreeable.
It may be a bit late for making a long story short, but the simple and plain fact of this matter is that Diogenes7 is wrong. This Judaism Discovered author is even more wrong.
Just another case of people with little or no knowledge of Judaism or Jewish culture spouting off on something with the aim of harming Jews. Diogenes may well not be an antisemite, but his words certainly are. My advice? Gather your evidence first, then reach your conclusion.
Originally posted by sadisticwoman
I haven't read the book.
And I'm not going to.
Because I'm not antisemitic.
So much hate around ATS! Simply ridiculous.
just looked at the site... wouldn't that be classified as anti semitic?
If it the book is anti semitic then it is no wonder it is not distributed by amazon.
Restriction of Information/literature is always imo suspicious but literature that promotes hate isn't good either.
In many books I have read, they have great citation, numerous references but and there is a but, that doesn't mean the information is accurate.