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posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 04:29 PM
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I think you have fairly sound ideas, Jelly. It was damned interesting talking to you, thats certain. Seems unreconciliable though, whether there are spiritual realities or not.

You believe it is each for himself, and you are based in what you experience here as flesh and blood. That's chill.

I would go as far as top say that even as human "animals" there are aspects of us that go beyond this flesh and blood world you see. And that goes for every particle in existence. Some particles collectively arrange and create what we call personality, some don't. I think even animals "lower" than us take part in a spiritual reality.

I think where we must differ is in that I believe the fundamental is Unity, and you believe the fundamental is separation.

I personally can't see how separation could be fundamentally true, if it were what would hold all of this together? How does it exist if there is no underlying, binding force?

The Illuminati are an extension of nature, but only in that they exist as the rest of us do. In that, I can not disagree. But I don't think that they in any way mimic or exemplify Nature, they're just here inside of it. Good talk though, bro you're the first person I have ever met to solidly state the Illuminati aren't the "big bad guys". I have seen people ponder it, even I have pondered their usefulness in terms of "good", but you are the first I've seen to openly call them innocent.




posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 04:32 PM
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bro, Do you really NOT see the flaws in Equonox's reasoning?

whats up with some you. NOTHING HE says comes down to nothing more than...

"people are duped, people are lied to, people have no choice, illuminati start wars, they influence people, they keep the people stupid"

is it that hard for you to take off the BLAME-THEM glasses and observe reality.

PEOPLE are duped because THEY PREFER that over reality. PEOPLE CHOOSE to believe what they hear instead of getting other info because it makes them feel good and keeps them from taking responsibility.
simple fact

PEOPLE are lied to over and over again and yet the masses believe. WHY do you think that is. its so logical. BECAUSE they choose to believe the lies. they never learn because they LOVE the system that lies to them and keeps them protected from reality.

PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS HAD A CHOICE

the illuminati do NOT start wars. THE MASSES demand it and even TAKE PART IN IT. THE MASSES are the KEY PLAYERS IN WAR.
you pulls the triggers? they are lied to you say? how, and why dont they look for the truth.

THE MASSES WANT to not learn about reality and be ignorant. THEY PROVE that over and over again by their actions.


Its so funny to hear that argument again and agin because it TAKES ALL RESPONSIBILITY AWAY from the individual and masse....

THE MASSES are not 6th graders. THEIR MINDS are capable of being at the same level of the illuminati but they CHOOSE to not get there.

Atleast some of you are starting to take responsibility and view reality for what it is.

The rest still play the blame game and say "D illuminati do EVERYTHING THAT IS BAD'

I love the fact that people think the FED cause inflation. SO HILARIOUS. classic blame game. The illuminati allows you to take out A LOAD SO YOU HAVE A HOUSE AND CAR. and people STILL BLAME THEM.
classic
only want to blame and dont see reality.
I think cosmicPixie and a few others are starting to see. IT takes time though.

The rest of you. ENJOY your blame game. logic has nothing to do with you. U prefer emotion and blame.



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by MrJelly
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the masses demand the matrix, the illuminati supply



Sounds like something I would tell myself if I were part of the Illumonous Organization



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 04:41 PM
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did u read my last post.

I will also say this to you. I am all for unity and all the good stuff. HOWEVER, you must observe how the masses function.
WHen you look at war, observe WHO IS FIGHTING. IT is a choice to pull the trigger. THEY ARE NOT THE ILLUMINATI.
In fact, ILLUMINATI MONEY is not used to buy the guns or ship the soldiers oversees. IT is the MASSES that willingly pay taxes that fund those operations. We can all come together and say "we want to change taxes" We have that power and yet the masses will never do that. WHY NOT YOU ASK? Coz this is THEIR creation, THEY demand a FALSE operation so they can find a reason to start war.
its psychological also but very simple.

YOu will start to see what is really going on.

I believe in UNITY. BUT not with those PEOPLE my friend. YOU see what I am saying.
Just like HOW I USED To think that the illuminati are not like me.
I now ClEARLY see that I am not one of the MASSES in that respect. I DO NOT share that with them.
I would rather run away and risk reality in nature than go to war.
that is true choice. that is true unity and love.

True Unity and LOVE is being responsible and observing reality.
It is taking responsibility instead of blaming
It is taking care of yourself instead of saying "save the world"
save the world is an outermovement that is external to yourself. It is running away from who you are and your responsibilities.

believe it or not, Iluv u all.
I just wish people would READ my posts so I dont have to write the same facts over and over again. lol

the illuminati cause war
who fights the wars
the illuminati keep the masses ignorant
how and why do the masses love their ignorance
the illuminati caused the inflation
how and who takes the big loans they will never pay back
so on and on.



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 04:45 PM
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Sounds like something I would tell myself if I were part of the Illumonous Organization


yes because you would be able to see REALITY FOR WHAT IT IS.

if the masses do not want the matrix, why does it work? oh I forget, they have no CHOICE. they were born and couldnt think about other possiblities right?
They had no choice.
the masses are just kids who are trying to live a good life. they dont know better.
keep kidding yourself

the masses are sheeple and they even make the matrix stronger every day coz they LOVE IT. They refuse to face reality.

Taj, the fact that you have EVEN QUESTIONS the illuminati not being a big bad guy says a lot about you.
RUN WITH it, you gut will tell you the truth. and remember, observe reality



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 06:17 PM
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we are on Earth , the physical plane, so it is sensible to focus on tangible reality , I see that. Nevertheless, we cannot say that earthly reality is the only reality that exists , or than other "non-visible" realities are beyond our reach. Perhaps it comes down to personal experience, and many people have just never had one so write everyone else's off as nonsense.

We can say though that those "voyages" are personal ones , and that when enough people have a similar "voyage" , such realities can become known to us a little more through shared experience. Life is given to the concept as so many people have similar experiences. No smoke without fire. I , for example, have seen a spirit, had direct contact from my deceased Father, have been outside of my body (Astral travel) and many other "intangible" experiences. Interesting studies have been going and and continue to go on with regard to a variety of "esoteric" phenomena and many intriguing findings have come to light. But that's a whole other subject area.

I can appreciate that we all are responsible for the world we live in, and that we too easily give our power away YET at the same time the illuminati are human, not gods, and so are subject to the same tendencies the rest of us are - they are perfectly capable of lies, deceit, and manipulation. when they first began, why did they keep seeking more money and more power - because they were greedy and because they could . I do not think we can blame them for everything, no, but they are not without blame here either. They sit at the top of the pyramid, with widepspread power and influence. Maybe at the end of the day, that's the natural order. The human race for the most part has always sought some external force to tell them what to do, there would be no religion if that were not the case. I saw that years ago. Some humans want to lead, others want to be led. We have our leaders and it is up to us to "obey" or not as the case may be. I do see we have the choice. I personally don't vote and never will as not one of them would i want to support. We just aren't ready for a world without a government , we are not evolved enough. So many still want to be led. This world without leadership would descend into TOTAL hell . Maybe corrupt ,flawed leadership is better than none at all. So I guess if we are going to be led, it may as well be within a system that agrees with itself the world over - much more harmonious, an improvement upon the current system.

All this said an done, we are tempted left right and centre with new toys, science and technology. We as humans love anything new, novel and exciting, anything that stimulates us, stretches us, opens up new horizons. imagine when the brain chip comes into being - many will be sold on the idea if it it offers, for example, an opportunity to enter some virtual reality world where we merge with a machine for some fantastic new experience. Imagine if we could upload knowledge to our brains in seconds - who would not want that ? Enter your own personal "hollodeck". should we not be able to enjoy something like that without at the same time getting programmed with some hidden mind-control device ? and that WILL happen, as there is always someone corrupt enough to explore the dark side . We won't even be warned about it, we'll learn about it years later. It's so sad that technology would get corrupted that way, so we have to choose never to experience it and miss out on an amazing new leap in human experience, or we take the offer and risk our hard drive (brain) getting deliberately corrupted.

So I do indeed see your points Jelly yet at the same time do not believe the Illuminati are themselves entirely blameless either. And if they do stage a false flag alien invasion or "natural" catastrophe then quite frankly, they are insane and are affecting change through fear.

Maybe at the end of the day, we are just all MAD.










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posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 06:52 PM
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Yea you lost me.
just because we "experience" the same thing doesnt mean that THING exists.
Again, I see no purpose (besides good emotions and feeling special) in talking about fantasy and combining some physical(obvious) world with the spiritual or "other dimension" stuff.
again. it sounds fun and is interesting, but thats it.

as for the illuminati. sorry but you going back into the blame game.
"why did they want more money when they started" you are missing the entire point.

Try to grasp the reality of it all. They are the ONLY GROUP OF HUMANS that have proven to observe reality for what it is. Do you HONESTLY think people become rich and powerful by NOT doing anything? By NOT being focused.

and what is with all of you socialists that feel like there is something wrong with people who obtain more money and security.

I know the reason why I lost some of you is because
1. I chose to speak truth instead of blaming a small group of people
2. I decided to speak truth in reality and observation instead of talking about feel-good never can prove other dimentional and other worldy experience.

so what does that say about how you have chosen to view the world.

Again, the illuminati have not done anything by force and have not gained wealth or power by ROBBING the masses.
this is the reason why if you go to school, get a degree, or earn a skill that is unique..you too can make a lot of money and have security. that is NOT GREED. you all seem to be confused. Greed is when someone wants to do nothing AND take more than their reasonable share. GREEd is why there is inflation, coz the masses TRY to get rich quick by taking out loans and trying to turn a quick profit. THE FED does NOTHING but print MONEY from this air the MOMENT THE MASSES ask for it. SIMPLE.

but let me do this. Im sorry Im sure you will hate me

I , for example, have seen a spirit, had direct contact from my deceased Father, have been outside of my body (Astral travel) and many other "intangible" experiences.


Sure, so you think its true because you have these experiences. Yet you dont realize that your brain can create EVERY SINGLE Experience you talk about. you CHOOSE not to consider that because the other option is much more interesting and special (not to mention the fact that it makes you feel like there is a connection, order, reason..so on)

Im not offending you, I am merely saying that while there is a possibility that it can be true (anything is possible) the PRobability of is low if not impossible.


we cannot say that earthly reality is the only reality that exists

YES we can. In fact, that IS the ONLY reality that exists for us. You can talk about other things all you want. BUt once again sorry to break it to you, YOU WILL NEVER and no one has EVER or will ever have any other reality. This is also a major part of the womb.
BuT, I understand the idea of researching it coz its fun. I myself have numerous books on magic and so on..


they are perfectly capable of lies, deceit, and manipulation.

capable yes..but they dont do anything that the masses do not want. This is THE SECRET they figured out a while back. this is why they are the illuminati. They dont do any of the following unless the masses need them to at which point they comply in order to keep them from going crazy.

sadly you want to hold onto the two idea. WONT work. so u will choose the easier one.
but listen to this.
DO YOU really want people who are this delusional in terms of reality (voyages, tangible earth, physical plane, etc.) to rule the planet.
The world was a mess before the observed reality and stepped up.

TECHNOLOGY has not been corrupted. WHy do you guys insist on denying the obvious.

lastly

end of the day, we are just all MAD


THis is what the illuminati figured out. But they are NOT MAD coz they OBSERVE TRUE REALITY.



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 07:18 PM
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Bro, how can you possibly sit there and tell her that her experiences are false, while wholly attesting that yours aren't?

This is an ancient debate.

You can't prove your version of reality is any more valid or real than hers, so don't go telling her that her experiences were not real.


ALL EXPERIENCE IS SUBJECTIVE, even the experience of your treasured land. Physical planes are just as subjective as non-physical.

don't tell me we all agree this one is the really real one. There are more people on this planet tht DO mediatate, than don't. And a good portion of them report THE VERY SAME EXPERIENCES, such as Clarity of mind, calmness, out of body experiences and visions.

Don't, ever, go as far as to tell a person that YOUR subjective experiences are more valid or real than someone else's subjective experiences. That's just lunacy and closed mindedness, not to mention it offends people.

Experience is subjective, always will be, get on with it. This is an ancient debate, no need to tell her she didn't experience these things.

She saw a ghost? Seemed real? Good enough. Maybe her brain was playing tricks, but Ill go a step and say that EVERYONEs brain is playing tricks, including yours.

Her perceptions are just as valid as yours, no more, no less.

I too have experienced contact with something I can't explain, twice on two successive nights. Maybe it was sleep paralysis, certainly. Maybe it wasn't though. You're no expert on the matter and even if you did deem to call yourself that you clearly don't know much about subjctive experiences and realities, even with all your talk of "simple psychology".



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 07:26 PM
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Yea Taj Mikel got to it before i did, i was gonna say the samething who knows which reality was the right one, that gos for the illuminaty who knows there reality could be the false one.


As far as Street Fighter 4 gos it's gonna play more like part 2, which i'm glad because i liked 2 better then 3, i always played with E.Honda and he's in part 4 which i'm glad.



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 07:57 PM
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wow. YOU guys really love the fantasy realm dont you.


You can't prove your version of reality is any more valid or real than hers, so don't go telling her that her experiences were not real.


how can I do this?
Very easily. MY version of reality is what EVERY person can attest to. END OF STORY. why is this hard to see. I dont say I saw ghosts. or anything else. I live in reality.
that is what reality is. My reality is what every single person on this earth has and will say reality is....including all of you. thats why you work and eat and so on. REALITY.
keep reading please


ALL EXPERIENCE IS SUBJECTIVE,

yes it is. BUT REALITY is OBJECTIVE. there is a tree or there isnt a tree.
your experience of a movie might be different from mine. BUT THE Fcking MOVIE was real. END OF STORY.
why do you guys mix up basic psychology with fantasy.


people on this planet tht DO mediatate,

people who meditate and so on are using their brains to accomplish all of what you said. NO ONE WILL DISAGREE WITH YOU. because it is a practice.EVERYONE can get there...thats what makes it reality. IF you put time into it, you will achieve it because you are making your mind powerful, nothing is out of this world. DO YOU C?


Maybe it was sleep paralysis, certainly.

FUnny you should say that. I am an expert on sleep paralysis and LUCID dreaming. I learned how to LUCID dream through WILD and MILD techniques.
I had horrible sleep paralysis and it used to freak me out coz I thought there was some entity in the room with me.
Well, once you grasp reality and LEARN reality instead of going with fantasy you will have total control and total responsibility.
LUCID dreaming is Amazing.

LISTEN GUYS, I am not trying to hurt people's feelings. But if you think that in life you should bELIEVE what everyone says JUST because they FELT it was true..you are a fool.
REALITY IS NOT SUBJECTIVE.. your experience might be. but not reality.
EVer taken magic mushrooms? does TIME SLOW DOWN? ever hulicinate? does that mean those things are there. NO

you can argue with me but like I said before...
...I dont talk about things that I am not 100% about. The theories and ideas I have that cant be proven I CHOOSE not to bring up.
what I am talking about is logical.

Her perceptions are just that..what she perceives. If she can duplicate them so that we all can see it, it is reality. but she cant and NO ONE EVER will be able to because they are manifestations.
is it possible, sure. IS it plausible. NOT likely....NOT AT ALL.


but keep not seeing the obvious conclusions I come to. It says a lot about your "open mind" open mind does not mean IDIOT. it doesnt mean believe everything despite the obvious and logical.
or maybe it does in some of your cases.
all read my last post on the MOTIVE FOR illuminati is good. The one where they guy is telling me "people in the past thought the round earth idea was delusional"
I will just post it on here soon.

amazing how people choose to believe everything in the text books



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 07:59 PM
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you used E-honda. NO WAY bro.

can he pull of any combos?
I always used the three greats. KEN, Ryu, or guile

how the F do you use E-honda? its like using blanca.
Im going to search on youtube for people who use Ehonda to play.
I have never seen anyone use ehonda besides the computer.

YOU are delusional to use E-honda. lol. JUST messing with you.
He does have one mean as chop coming down from his jump though.
brutal



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 08:10 PM
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I don't take offence, it is always good to have ones own ideas challenged. I do see that even if (as I believe) these other "dimensions" or whatever one will call them exist, the fact is I am in a physical body, on a physical world, with physical needs and drives. That is what is important to focus on , though I see no harm in exploring "other possibilities", whether this be settling down a few times a week to experiment with "astral travel" or "remote viewing" or whatever else.(not that I do, I'm just giving an example) We are by nature explorers, and sometimes our explorations take us outside of the "known" the "proven" and so forth. This does not make such activity pointless, who knows, over time some of the exploration might give way to solid proof. You don't get proof of anything without experimenting. It's not all down to wanting to escape the here and now, or oneself, or to try and "feel better" it's often just an inquisitive urge to see what else there "might" be.

We are sure living in only one KNOWN reality, but just because we don't live in some other reality does not presume "others" elsewhere don't have a different reality, ie some other type of beings/entities not human . It is curious to many people, and we love to search all possibilities. It's human after all to do so ! There is an external reality we can all attest to and agree on, yes . But there is an internal world as well - just because we can't all agree on what goes on in there does not mean what does go on is a load of bollocks.

Personally I have always been inclined to investigate that kind of stuff, it is part of who I am, it never seems to go away. It interests me, and that's just the way it is. A can sit in my room and observe my desk, my settee, my table and so on - my tangible, physical reality - but what a dull way to pass my time when I could instead be using my mind, imagination and creative visualization, exploring life's little mysteries. We were born to imagine, not merely to see only what's infront of our eyes.

there's lot of supporting yet not widely known study that's gone on in relation to the idea of us having subtle bodies, ie not just physical bodies. You've obviously not read it. Our science is beginning to quantify all sorts of "intangible" stuff - you won't know this unless you keep up to date with the subject areas in question.

Anyway -

I have watched some DJHives and got goosebumps listening to it. It resonates with me . I just wonder about a couple of things:

1. The Illuminati give warnings, the people don't act . Ok, I see that. But what of those people who don't go to the movies, rarely watch tv, don't buy papers, hardly ever read, etc....do they miss the warning simply because they have never tried to educate themselves about the world around them ? so it's their own fault ? I'm not avoiding the reality of this possibility but it kind of blows my mind to consider it.

Also, surely most people watching a movie just think its fiction. They don't realize they are being warned at all. They don't see any "message", they are just entertained. Is this because they are dim, or is it because they trust too much ? Not everyone is naturally supsicious or alert, is is therefore just a case of "well that's unfortunate, but it's not our problem"?
again, I don't discount this as being the cold, hard reality that is is, I just never viewed human kind this way before, ie so disposable !

Also, way before there was mass media, surely the masses could not have gotten fair warning ? But this is just nature, ie nature can be cruel and unfair and that's the way it is ? No point crying over how unfair it was, coz that's life , that's nature- it IS unfair ? Wow, again - it's quite stunning.

2. If we were given a warning of a deliberate biological attack - well one might say such a deliberate act of murder on the Illuminati's part is just them acting according to human nature (humans that is, being capable of monstrosities as well as wonders), but exactly what on earth CAN we do about it ? Most us wouldn't want that to happen, but how on earth could we stop it ? or is the point simply to realize we ARE powerless and that is just part of being human and we can't fight nature so simply have to shrug and walk alongside it. Mother nature creates hurricanes that destroy cities, human nature for some reason likes to sometimes do things like deliberately set off biological weapons and you can't fight either. Is that the gist of it ? I'm not saying it's "wrong" or "right", I can see this could simply be human nature, it just makes me feel sad that human nature IS capable of such things.

Do you think we can evolve, or will the nature of mankind always be this way ? Will we always , on the whole, seek bondage and control do you think? What of the global one world government and the accompanying erosion of most of our freedom - what of the children born into that system who did not ask for such limitation ? How can they possibly resist ? Is the answer that they can't, they can only bend to "what is" or die ? How totally unfair, but again, I perhaps see - nature IS unfair,"tough luck kids". I mean it could reach a stage where it is the law to be brainchipped so that our emotions and perhaps even our thoughts can be monitored. The kids parents might well have heped bring about such a reality, but the kid did not . He is forced into slavery from birth with NO chance of freedom.

Maybe by that time though we can't even have any more kids. Maybe we will simply create genetically engineered clones instead. Maybe THAT is our destiny, the species as we understand it being a dying one who for the most part doesn't know how to live without slavery, so a new human is artificially created , a superior version of the old one. I've just ordered 3 books about the future of humans interfacing with technology and where this may lead us - fascinating stuff, along with genetic possibilities. And both roads, I do see, we have chosen to walk down. The majority choices always win, i see that.



you obviously enjoy getting people to think beyond their normal boundaries, have you not considered starting a blog or website ? If some part of you did not want to convey your findings, you never would have bothered starting this thread. Why not try to reach a wider audience ?






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[edit on 16/8/08 by cosmicpixie]



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 09:21 PM
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the truth is available for those that want to know the truth. It ALWAYS HAS BEEN and always will be.


Mr. Jelly,

I want to know the truth. Where is it? In what form is it? Where do I find it? Please give me directions to this source.

I have read every word of all your posts and I'm trying to understand your thinking. I keep asking myself how this benefits you. What do you get out of this?



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 10:25 PM
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Oh Lord Jelly, you got a few people getting down on this stuff.

Look, I can get down on every single one of your theories, bro. The only problem I come to is this: I am a compassionate being. If, when it comes down to it, compassion, Love and tolerance mean nothing, then so be it. But, which type of living do you prefer? Which mode of being would you want to have extended to the Universe?

It saddens me that there are individuals on this planet who do not feel an innate connection to all there is. I know that it is inevitable. But it still affects my mood to consider that there are people here who do not share brotherhood and sisterhood with their environment, the Life that shares this space with them.

If the Illuminati, in their infinite Illumination, do not feel compassion, then in what way are they moral beings? And if morals are a myth of our wombs, then why is it harder and more trying to live a moral life than it is to lead an immoral life? If the easier path is immoral, by your admissions, I'd assume it is the way of the womb. But if moral is the way of the womb, why is it more difficult to adhere to?

If my morals are generated by my belief in higher forms of existence, and those are created for comfort, is it not then a contradiction of interests for me to build a comforting paradigm, and then use it to bring myself discomfort?


I know where your coming from I think, to a degree Jelly.

You're right about the population making choices for itself. That isn't even an amazing statement. It's a controversial statement, but certainly not some revelation by any means.

You're right that the nature of coexisting species CAN BE harsh.
But coexistence with other species, and our own, does not HAVE TO BE harsh.

You're right that, at first glance the Universe is separated matter moving about in empty space. But at first glance, it sure doesn't seem like there are quantum events occurring all around, in and throughout you either. But that first glance can sure be deceiving, can't it? Your generic human sensory organs deceive you, Jelly. Just as you claim they do us.

You're right that the Universal Mother herself is the most objective, apathetic and uncaring provider ever seen. You're right that the Universe doesn't care how much pain you endure, or how slowly/quickly you die. You're right that life is a bitch. Doesn't mean we too should be.


My question to you is this, Jelly:

Why are you getting people to think on the Illuminati in a positive manner? Perhaps better stated, are your intentions to attempt to get people to think more abstractly about their behaviors and beliefs?

I have always, in all of my rantings, attempted to "Illuminate" to the best of my ability the possibility and potential reality of a planet Earth in which humans do behave compassionately and tolerantly towards each other. In which people are freely educated, and all members of society willingly assist in the evolution of the Species. It would not be difficult, except for the interference of those who would stand to stop it, to bring this about.

Why are your motives not drawn so nobly? Why do you seek to perhaps causing people to believe that the NWO is, in some twisted way, their friend? You know this is not the case. This Illuminati is too far detached from us to even consider themselves as citizens.

If these situations are occurring.. If the Illuminati really do influence from their high points all aspects of global life in so much as they provide what you believe the masses want, why do you not seek to stop it? Why do you not wish to see this madness ended? Surely you see that this Illuminati is allowing the masses to destroy the planet? And themselves?

Why do you not act as a Humanitarian? Why do you not help this plight? This is a dreadful situation we have on this planet. The Illuminati, unaffected by it, perhaps don't notice or care. But you Mr. Jelly, you're here with us and in our midst you do nothing to stop it?



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 10:34 PM
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I don't believe it is your responsibility, no. But why behave as though compassion, assistance for the weak, Love don't exist? Or are merit less?

You will probably say you never stated those things. But your rhetoric shows otherwise. You state the Illuminati behave as Nature has intended, and that is in no way compassionate or loving. They assist in the deception of the Human species, with or without the species express consent!

If your children, should have any, were dying due to drug use, would you facilitate it?? Of course not, Jelly! These Illuminati, should they exist as is stated, are facilitating the downfall of our species. Why do you not assist your fellow species?

Perhaps you will in time, I don't know. Maybe this is step 1 in random guy Jelly's master plan for enlightenment of the Human race to the true nature of Nature.

Right now all I see is an apparent man assisting in the facilitation of the death and poor state of many of my fellow beings. From the high houses of the Illuminati should flow Love and knowledge, not cheap excuses for knowledge provided via what is legitimately referred to as entertainment. Honesty, blatant transparent Love and knowledge should flow from their lives, not this cheap imitation everything we have now. If the world is asking for it explain why people get so damn pissed when they find out about the atrocities that are occurring. Half of them don't do # after because THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT TO DO. It all seems so big, so insurmountable.

These people should be given assistance. Knowledge. Knowledge of the power of Self! This is what the Illuminati spirit away and risk losing if the world embraces true kinship and cooperation.

The Illuminati are nature Jelly, they're just not the compassionate side. Why is it you are this way also, my friend?



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 01:42 AM
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Not sure about you, but your doltishness seems quite apparent:

Listen to this YouTube interview from an illuminati defector and let me know if what she talks about sounds "natural" and "normal".

How 'bout it?!

Then you can clarify what "you" mean.

www.youtube.com...



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 02:52 AM
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First of all let me say this.
while DHJIVE is fun to watch..if you stick to it you will not learn anything. I dont know what his deal is... he is very evil in many ways and has nothing but absolute hate for EVERYONE even you and me.
its very sad. Plus, he doesnt really get into the truth. U will be stuck if you keep watching his vids. But they are very simple and well maid.

Alright, im going to be very honest with this one.


over time some of the exploration might give way to solid proof.

It wont. LOL. trust me it wont, it never has, it never will.
IF you want to Explore the REAL world..it might. but none of that astral viewing crap and everything else. I think you understand my view on this. its based on logic and reality.


just because we don't live in some other reality does not presume "others" elsewhere don't have a different reality,

Thats EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANs. OThers do not have a different reality. Why you struggle with this is beyond me. in 80 years when u are on your deathbed you will say"MrJELLY was right, I put every minute searching for other dimensions and so on and I got nowhere" THIS IS A PROMISE from me to you.

in respect to internal experiences

does not mean what does go on is a load of bollocks.

that is exactly what it is Bollock. no sorry, its INTERESTING bollock. sorry folks, none of you or myself are special, there is no light within us. HOW will nature provide you with light when you refuse to observe reality. LOL. C what I mean.
THE light is to observe reality and take responsibility. nothing more.


my table and so on - my tangible, physical reality - but what a dull way to pass my time

DULL? I dont think so. YOUR DESK IS THERE. seems much more interesting than imagining things and creating a fantasy world. BUT THIS IS VERY TELLING.

MY entire discussion is BASED on what you are saying.. the masses rather live in fantasy instead of OBSERVING REALITY. Notice it is EXACTLY what you just said.
your SO CALLED SEARCH is not a search at all, it is you refusing to face reality and going deeper into the womb...and the illuminati provide you with the info on the net and the books if you choose to go into it and run from reality.

We were born to imagine? again u mix up words. Imagine the POSSIBILITIES. not image fairies and BS that will never ever get anywhere. Imagine what you can build with your hands. Imagine what kind of house you can build, what business you can start, what degree you can get, how you can improve your body (I do P90x..best workout of all time) and so on.
They dont mean Imagine as in waste time on SHt. Unless you are writing a book or movie. thats telling a story FOR MONEY. something that is real.


subtle bodies, ie not just physical bodies. You've obviously not read it.

I read it all, most are a waste of time. BUT NOTHING SUGGESTs THAT you saw ghosts or anything else. the only thing that comes EVEN clOSE to what you are talking about is string theory and the idea of different vibrations in regards to other entitities...and EVEN THAT is connecting dots that should not be connected.
LIKE I SAID, you can always use that line but it will never happen. Dark matter, bla bla bla..people read one paragraph and connect it to their wishes. NONE of those theories suggest anything that you have experienced.


Have you ever looked at your desk. Seen the beauty, the shape, felt the texture, the curves, the lines, the way light sits on it. It is amazing. I give you my WORD on this...reality is MUCH MORE INTERESTING. the folds in curtains and clothes.
the weight of people as they walk. REALITY is so much more interesting than astral travel, aliens, ghosts, etc..
after you read this..do this. Start observing the different colors that are in your room. YOU WILL BE BLOWN AWAY. reality is amazing. your eyes will work for the first time



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:21 AM
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TAJ, I love you like a brother but I must say that you are going in circles.

remember the importance of CHOICE.it means NOT FORCING PEOPLE TO BE anything they dont want to be.

WHICH MEANS THE FOLLOWING. if you force people to wake up or evolve, you are a dictator. "THE PROBLEM HAS ALWAYS BEEN CHOICE" that is the key.

WHY YOU INSIST THAT people do not have assistance is beyond me. WHy you insist that the illuminati are keeping the masses down and NOT helping them is beyond me.


If the world is asking for it explain why people get so damn pissed when they find out about the atrocities that are occurring. Half of them don't do # after because THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT TO DO.


If 200 soldiers kill thousands of people in Africa or Iraq how does that change you. WHY ARE YOU HELD RESPONSIBLE? you are not. People LOVE TO DWELL on destruction of others because...here it is again...it allows them to NOT FOCus on their own responsibilities. It is the ultimate external and outward method of being irresponsible. they are running from themselves and finding a situation that they are not responsible for.
can you deny this simple psychological truth.


hey assist in the deception of the Human species, with or without the species express consent!


DO you not agree that the masses have a choice in being deceived? and that they begged for and maintain the deception.
Now you say the illuminati should NOT do what the masses have begged for. So you want a dictatorship that forces the masses to evolve. WHEN THE OBVIOUS REALITY is that the masses have had that CHOICE but have turned it down.
you really dont see this?
HOW important that is.


But why behave as though compassion, assistance for the weak, Love don't exist?

Why do you all see the masses as weak? lol. Last time I checked they are doing exactly what they want. What can I reply to this nonsense.
can you give me another example that is more powerful than the ILLUMINATI providing the womb for those that dont work and get foodstamps? housing and so on.
WHAT TEH FUk bro, is that NOT COMPASSION adn ASSISTANCE.
and yet you ask the question when it is directly IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES.
you still do not want to OBSERVE REALITY.


If the Illuminati, in their infinite Illumination, do not feel compassion,

letting you take out loans=free lunch. Sounds like compassion to me
providing you with housing and food when you cant work=sounds like compassion
creating a system that allows u to feel safe= compassion
I cant go on forever with reality. JUST OPEN YOUR EYES.


But coexistence with other species, and our own, does not HAVE TO BE harsh.

okay so it doesnt have to be harsh. who makes it harsh? who fights in wars? who works to create and build bombs? NATURE IS HARSH. A fuking bird flew into a man's head a while back and he died.

and finally my favorite

If these situations are occurring.. If the Illuminati really do influence from their high points all aspects of global life in so much as they provide what you believe the masses want, why do you not seek to stop it? Why do you not wish to see this madness ended? Surely you see that this Illuminati is allowing the masses to destroy the planet? And themselves?

Why do you not act as a Humanitarian? Why do you not help this plight? This is a dreadful situation we have on this planet. The Illuminati, unaffected by it, perhaps don't notice or care. But you Mr. Jelly, you're here with us and in our midst you do nothing to stop it?


you can only save yourself and your family. THIS IS THE ULTIMATE responsibility.
and again, STOP WHAT? stop the masses from doing what they CHOOSE and want to do. That in itself is wrong. stop the soldiers from shooting? Do you see the delusion in your statement?

I get the whole one love thing. It has helped in your life.
but its all talk without observation



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:48 AM
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GOOD QUESTIONS

eople watching a movie just think its fiction. They don't realize they are being warned at all. They don't see any "message", they are just entertained.


The illuminati are awesome. The message is not only a warning but another method of proving to themselves that the masses refuse to observe reality. Its very deep actually.
The illuminati see the masses for what they are... sheep. THe movies are not MEANT to be simply a warning that if you pick up you can save yourself. The masses who love the artificial womb will not watch a movie and suddenly get it and change. The movies are more about their own "drawing on the cave that they hope will be executed with success"

This is why I say stay away from DJHIVE. He F's with logic and with people's minds.


way before there was mass media, surely the masses could not have gotten fair warning ?


What do you think the warnings are for and why do you think this. Were there not stories, and soapbox speeches?
but you dont even know what the destruction is for do you?
Why do they plan on eliminating a big portion of the population?
the need was not as high in the past.

you kind of lost your mind there with the kids born, "tough luck kid", and so on.. LOL
hang in there. get some water.. have some beer. lol. relax listen to some stand up comedy. seriously. please.

He is forced into slavery from birth with NO chance of freedom.


Does he WANT freedom? does he want to go hunt, find shelter, learn skills that he can exchange his skills for other services. DOes he want to stay awake all night protecting his house and family?
DO you not see the GRAND SCHEME of all of this? Kids now have it a MILLION time better than kids in the past. I know its not popular to say that but its logical.

But sadly yes, a huge portion will have to die off and that is because of their greed, laziness, and delusion. That is just nature taking its course as you say.


If some part of you did not want to convey your findings, you never would have bothered starting this thread. Why not try to reach a wider audience ?

I should. BUt I have to work and go to school (notice my laziness and lack of taking responsibility) LOL
No I plan on it. I was just testing the ground here to see if there would be atleast 3 people who can open their minds to the obvious. If I got 3 I told myself I would start a website or blog or something.






There is something else you should know that is VERY IMORTANT.

When you read quotes from famous presidents who hated the central banking, or famous people in power to talked about a "hidden hand" or "a group so powerful no one dares mention"
you have to know that these people really believed the masses were hard working people who once they became aware would be enlightened.

This is the same argument that most of you STILL cling on to.
But this is why the illuminati are the true illuminated ones. The realized the truth using logic, reason, and past experience instead of Wishfull thinking.
They also understood the Psychology of it all way before there was psychology. They understood that true utopia can only be achieved if everyone took care of themselves and their families..which led to the next conclusion that the masses would rather save the world than take responsibility.

Just to point this out again.

you are already chipped. its just that your chip consists of your cell phoone, gps, credit card, ID card, cameras all over and so on.
and is it that bad?

you are not dissenters, you are simple using the safety of the artificial womb to make noise.
THEY will NOT come after you or anyone on this site. they understand that you are perfectly happy in the womb. happy means doing something over and over and over again.
complain, complain, complain.

would u rather be dying in iraq? appreciate your situation people.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 03:53 AM
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Listen to this YouTube interview from an illuminati defector and let me know if what she talks about sounds "natural" and "normal"


Really? I have to justify this with a reply.

I am speechless. I did not know these horrible things. I had not heard them THouSANDS OF TIMEs BEFORE.
Yet, wait for it, because I can observe reality I understand the BS that is this video.

but no, go ahead..play the blame game while you refuse to be logical.

I love how people can connect the illuminati (who have gained their status through focus, hard work, and understanding of nature and reality, to name a few things) with the most discusting acts in the world.
The delusion frightens me at times.

You know what. Fck it, you are right. I cant reply so I must not know what I am talking about.
go back to your youtube video of how evil the smartest people in the world are. I am going to watch them all and take notes tonight.

ill only need two lines



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