There has been a lot of information regarding this simple fact on the internet in the last 2 years but I have yet to see it on this forum.

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It is important to understand that the new world order is not the work of some insane group of people who want control and to destroy the earth. In fact, the illuminati are an extension of nature.
I used to play the blame game like all of you. I used to blame everything on the illuminati and I used to try and "wake up" the masses so that we can come together and stop the NWO and the illuminati.

However, I soon came to the conclusion that the problems of the world are due to the greedy, lazy, illusional, and reality-fearing masses. Hang with me on this. The only way you can understand this is if you (even just for fun) start taking responsibility and stop blaming the illuminati. In fact, it is only logical but even us..in the know..still refuse to face reality for what it is.For example,

Pollution is the fault of the illuminati? How can a small group of people pollute the world. The masses have CHOSEN to drive the cars...no one put a gun to their heads and FORCED them.

War and Destruction is the fault of the illuminati? Wrong again, who WILLINGLY pulls the trigger? WHo WILLINGLY pushes the button to drop the bomb? The masses

Inflation the fault of the illuminati? Nope, it is the greedy sheeple who want to get rich without working and focusing so they take out huge loans...WILLINGLY they take out loans. (remember money is created out of thin air the moment someone takes out a loan). Loans the can never pay back.

Now I am not saying the illuminati are very good..what is good anyway. What I am saying is that if you consider the average person and their ILLOGICAL ideas (GOD, HEAVEN, FAIRNESS, etc..) and their Fears( SATAN, HELL) and their dependance on the Illuminati (protest all u want but we all shop and play in THEIR playground, which means the masses are not WILLING to go out and hunt or find shelter on their own) we can logically conclude that the MASSES have never and will never be focused enough or hard working enough to face reality and live on their own. Thats why the masses depend on the illuminati.


Sure there is propaganda (news, movies, etc..) But the masses WILLINGLY WATCH it. No one FORCES them to watch it. IN fact, here is where it gets INTERESTING..the masses DEMAND that there be PROPAGANDA. Why you ask.....because if u believe it or not...EVERY SINGLe PERSON WAKES UP TO THE FACT OF THE MATRIX (fantasy world) THEY WAKE UP AND DO NOT WANT TO take RESPONSIBLITY.. so they beg the illuminati to create propaganda and other distractions so they dont FACE REALITY.
NO ONE CAN ARGUE THIS FACt.

YOU are NOT THE ONLY ones AWAKE. EVERy ONE wakes up, but the masses are LAZY, GEEDY, DELuSIONAL, and ILLOGICAL so they REFUSE TO LIVE in reality. THEY CHOOSE to be in the MATRIX.

THIS IS THE REASON WHY WHEN YOU TRY TO TELL THEM ABOUT THE NEW WORLD ORDER THEY GET MAD AND ANGRY. THey know this already but are not willing to be in reality because they would have to start being responsible for their actions.

the illuminati give the MASSES what the MASSES want. An ARTIFICIAL WOMB that will allow them to try all sorts of things without ever being held responsible.
I could go on about this but not enough room

WHy are they an extension of Nature. BEcause when the masses become even more greedy and lazy (which they always do) it is their responsiblity to kill of a portion of the population to BALANCE out the predator to prey ratio. the illuminati respect nature.
The illuminati WORK HARD, the masses do not do ANYTHING.
remember, even a ROMAN SLAVE worked hard but he was still a slave.
AND the roman slave stayed with the master because the MATER gave him FOOD and SHELTER. he could have TAKEN RESPONSIBility and ran away and made his own WORLD. but didnt
MUCH LIKE THE MASSES, who are the reason why the World is not perfect..
not the illuminati.

Just a fact

The subject matter swayed a bit from your headline which is what i would like to expand on in a minute. First off I HAVE to agree with what your saying about the masses being responsible, there is no argument i can fathom against that, im not saying its good or bad, it is just fact, OK you could say well they control the banks and the wages so people did it for a way of life, and thats very true, but that was the statement you where making, there was still a choice, not a very good one but there was one all the same, and im walking a tight rope between the two ideals here but technically speaking, it is true that it is the masses that where responsible there simply is no denying it. Now it may be easy to manipulate the masses when you have "CONTROL" over the ultimate controlants like money, energy, medical and food and people (the mob) will ultimately take the easier route, this brings us to problem reaction solution, make one route harder and another easier, naturally what is a human gonna choose, well 90% of the time anyway, of course the easier route, and as soon as everyone lese is doing it too, well then its the thing to do isnt it?

Ok so that's how it happens, now what about why it happens, it has to be an extension of nature because it is the way nature intended it to be, think about it........ IF right now this very second, we took away the Illuminati / nwo whatever you want to call them, and took away the banking cartels, I mean every last scrap of them, where would the world be. Im talking of essentially flattening the pyramid down to the base so there is no point, no top, everything is equal, all currencies the same.

What in the world do you think is going to happen? That's an easy answer isn't it, someone will form some sort of group to get ahead of the rest, open up another profiteering venture someone will see that and try to do better and so on, eventually you will end up with just another pyramid another "Illuminati" its unavoidable, its simply human nature, its like if you took all of the arms away in the world, there will be one guy somewhere who will spot this weak spot and knows he can get what he wants by making a gun and then your just starting the same cycle all over again.

The only way this will ever cease, that these "power struggles" will ever cease, is through technology, when we are technologically advanced enough that we don't need money, i.e a serious nano technology revolution (as in something akin to star trek) where we can replicate pretty much replicate anything from programming it into a computer and get rid of the whole "idea" of money, that's when true human kind will shine, I live in hope that this is a possibility in our future and I hope my grand childrens children live to see that beautiful day.

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the problems of the world are due to the greedy, lazy, illusional, and reality-fearing masses.............???????


Well...mabey if these masses were actually told THE TRUTH
then mabey we would all work together to figure out the problems....

N.W.O , an extension of Nature.........?
thats like saying..
snoop dog.... an extension of good quality entertainment....
or
the K.K.K... an extension of racial values...

whats with the Pro n.w.o threads ???
is everybody becoming robots or something ?

are you guys really serious or are you some kinda
government shills?

and don`t think i`m not looking at the BIGGER PICTURE..
because , believe me , I am.

and what I see is a real greedy bunch that want it all to themselves.

Maya432 - I'm not pro NWO, and as I said Im sure not for manipulation deceiving, or killing, I'm just looking at possibilities of motives, like the ultimate motive, i guess you think they just want more money and more power and thats it, thats the answer, - well you could be right! I'm wondering is there more to it then that, I certainly hope so anyway.

As per equating it to nature, well then answer the question, what do you think would naturally happen if we could get rid of the nwo group and their cartels?Do you think that it would it just remain a peaceful world? You have more faith in humanity then me, if you do and as I said I'm pretty sure there would be just other groups to form after a time as the more powerfull and ally with each other into another form of NWO, and that to me means its a natural progression, not natural as in nature is beautifull but natiral as in unavoidable - now take money out of the equation, thats a whole different world.

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Let me try to explain again in a different way.
THOSE OF YOU THAT CAN ONLY SAY "illuminati are baaaaaad, NWO IS BAAAD" and do not want CONSIDER this fact. stop reading. . the following is only for those who can use their intellect and want to take responsibility. READ IT ALL IF YOU WANT TO KNOW REALITY (truth is overblown) Remember, u woke yourself up..but u were stopped. Now u can complete your knowledge finally. READ

the masses DO have and have had options in the past.
No one Forced the masses to do anything. EVERYTHING has been a choice.

If the people DO NOT WANT PROPAGANDA, why do they keep watching TV. TRUST ME, they KNOW THE TRUTH but choose the propaganda.

YOu see, the MASSES are the ones that BEGGED the illuminati to create a system where they can turn around and say "We (the masses) are manipulated and so we choose the easier road".
the MASSES know the TRUTH but REFUSE to wake up because it would mean they would have to start hunting and finding shelter on their own.A lot easier on the slave Farm.

Plus, you must admit that the Illuminati DID not take the easy road. They worked hard to create a system that BENEFITS the illuminated ones..meaning those that are aware of REALITY(Hunt, find shelter, take responsibility, respect nature's laws) and they PROVIDE the necessary fantasy world for those (masses) that refuse to be responsible and see reality...(THEY LISTEN TO THE MASSES AND DELIVER)

Let me repeat this simple fact. EVERY SINGLE PERSON AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER WAKES UP AND SEES THE MATRIX FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS. However, they WILLINGLY CHOOSE to go back into the matrix. THESE people (the masses) are dangerous because they are GREEDY, LAZY, and DELUSIONAL. THIS leads to another simple deductive logic. SOCIETY WORKS because the ILLUMINATI are there to keep it functioning.

IF we broke down the pyramid today...the masses would go crazy and kill each other off (that is the main reason the MASSES HAVE BEGGED for the GOVERNEMTN and NATION-STATES..simply so they (MASSES) can do what they really want (kill, destroy, hurt, rob) but blame it on the government without being held responsible. THink about it, WHY DO PEOPLE PULL THE TRIGGER AND SAY "its societies fault" "I was just taking Orders" "war"

my favorite. "the CIA brought the DRUGS into the inner cities" Sure, but again u had a choice...you CHOSE TO PUT THE PIPE TO YOUR LIPS.

THE Illuminati not only gives the masses options...but they also PROVIDE the masses with EXACTLY WHAT THE MASSES HAVE ASKED FOR= methods and situations to ESCAPE REALITY...because the masses DO NOT WANT TO FACE reality, therefore...any ANIMAL THAT REFUSES TO FACE reality (hunt, shelter, observe nature) will die off.

HOwever, due to the fact that the ILLUMINati are a lot NICEr than you all think...they go ahead and keep the MASSES alive,unitll the masses become TOO GREEDY, at which point they balance out the ratio on predator to pray= extension of nature.

Again, MOST OF YOU CAN NOT EVEN ENTERTAIN THIS FACT. Because you are stuck with JONES AND ICKE. They did not INFORM YOU OF ANYTHING. THEY KEEP you in FEAR and force you to be idiots by NOT TAKING CARE OF YOURSELF.
More on this later.

THE MASSES DEMAND the New World ORDER. The illuminati ONLY DUE WHAT TEH MASSES want untill NATURE TELLS THEM OTHERWISE.

Some of you get this simple logic. The illuminati does not make u a slave..you CHOSE to be a slave because this allowed you to be fed and have shelter without being responsible. the MASSES BEGGED for the ARTIFICIAL WOMB instead of facing reality like the illuminati.

IF you folks desire, I can answer specific questions since this topic is broad.
Those of you that are kind of getting this, run with it...it is a huge step but well worth it...coming to grips with the knowledge that the illuminati are not bad allows you to become responsible and take control of your own life.
D rest that think the masses are good and have been FOOLED...keep playing the blame game. will get you nowhere

This is an interesting take on things, and worthy of further thought. Some of the points you have raised I myself have considered. I haven't fully made up my mind, but can see what you are getting at.
The main concern I have is what about those of us who HAVE woken up and "see the matrix", those of us who DON'T want to be "slaves" ? We are surely a minority yet will be forced into a New World Order that "We" don't want or need. What happens to people like us if and when a compulsory microchipping system is introduced ? If we resist becoming part of the new system because "we" don't need it ....are we to sacrifice ourselves in the name of the greater "good" ?

The general consensus seems to be that the NWO is ushered in big time by
(a) a staged alien invasion.
(b) holographic technology and mind control/mass hypnosis to convince people around the world they are seeing their "saviour". Each saviour would explain the misconceptions of their religious understanding and declare it is time to know the "real " truth and that from now on there will only be "one world religion"

EVENT (A) WOULD
(a) provide the opportunity to thin out population levels around the globe. a kind of de-cluttering to allow for better manageability and organization
(b) Create a "threat" to humanity that sustains fear long-term. Such a threat would force the world to unite as never before, and continue to do so in the face of an "enemy" who could return at any time
(c) Provide a valid reason for a one world government, with each country becoming subject to a whole new set of laws which would be the same for all.

EVENT (B) WOULD
(a) Effectively raze to the ground all orthodox belief systems, paving the way for a completely new system . Instead of having umpteen religious systems dividing the world and causing endless wars in their name, the entire globe would see things in the same way. No more wars, as there is nothing to argue over or defend any more. Religious peace would prevail across the planet.
Yes, this means substituting many lies or half truths for another lie. But instead of having countelss religious doctrines, there would just be one. One lie is better than dozens and would at least band everyone together

These possibilities, if accompanied by various other things such as one world currency, strict population control via laws that restict how many children you can have, advances in genetic engineering to "improve" the human race and so forth would UNDOUBTEDLY create a world that yes, although more controlled than ever before, would nevertheless be a world of far greater peace, harmony and brotherhood.

To maintain order, dissenters and rebels would have to be dispense with. "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

If one believes in reincarnation, then in the big scheme of things it does not really matter if the lives of some souls journey to Earth is cut short. If the soul does not die, there are plenty more chances to return. Reincarnation proposes we each choose the life we experience, so it follows such sould agreed to come here, knowing that their journey would be cut short.

This is just my personal interpretation of the jigsaw, just my take on things.

However, to maintain this "new world" of peace and order, we may have to acquiesce to being microchipped - most likely brain chipped. I have wondered if this idea gets sold to us on some pretext of the "alien invaders" having somehow infiltrated humanity so that the only way we can know the "enemy" is to scan everyones brain on a regular basis and monitor us all more tightly in many new ways. Simply to "weed out" the "enemy" so that our species is not contaminated. Any such chipping would likely include technology to reinforce and expand upon the mind control exercised originally during the "project blue beam" phase of the plan.

But what of us who see the matrix and don't need/want enslaving ? How do we escape it?

a final thought:

it seems to me as if humanity has two choices:

1. Retain our free will as a species yet continue for what could be millenia to come in an unstable world ravaged by war, chaos, poverty, over population etc, divided by religion (the main cause of many wars) and opposing political policies

2. Sacrifice our ability to think and act independently in exchange for a New World Order where peace and stability prevail and man becomes a united brotherhood.

Is option (2) merely a natural part of human evolution ? Is it a natural part of the human picture to change in this way, to become something new ? Is the human species as we understand it, coming to an end, to be replaced by something different , yet still human ? Through mind control and implants we could become be joined together like the parts that create a giant super-computer.

It may be something we balk at, but is it simply part of our "destiny" as a species, a change we can only resist for so long...........?

Are we going to become something like the BORG ? And what, realistically, do you think we can do to resist it ? I'm not sure being awake to this possibility is going to be enough to prevent such a scenario happening........





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You bring up some intresting points, but i have a few questions.

First why does every job have to do with the illuminati, clearly everything isn't controled by them.


Also don't you feel that the whole NWO and illuminati could be broken up from within????


My feeling on the subject is the illuminati/NWO can be beat and at the very least David Icke and Alex Jones report on what is happining which is more then 90 percent of what other news outlites are doing.

But its all based on LIES...
how can the masses properly deduce the situation when all they hear is lies.

you are selling the human race very short here.

the masses are NOT to blame..

the rich ,greedy Elite of the world are to blame..

TERROR...... who in this universe has the right to TERRORIZE??????
it is the lowest form of behavior..

50 galizillion billion trillion dollars to TERRORIZE.......
to justify some utopia that is coming...
sorry...this makes no sense at all.

why not 50 galizillion billion trillion dollars to prepare us for utopia???
we are supposed to be a family.......brothers........
in tune with nature.

the N.W.O and all its crimes against nature do not make good
brothers.

Does the end justify the means... I think not.....

A NEW STAR/SUN YOU SAY

I am sure its on this site somewhere but I wil get into briefly.

CASSINI-Huygens project.

it is orbiting saturn and titan.
IT is carrying a lot of plutonium. Basically, if you know the origin of the illuminati you know that they are planning on creating a new sun. It was planned to go down last month but they pushed it back 2 years. However, like I said...they plan ahead and listen to nature.
THERE is plenty of info on this on the net or on youtube so go and watch.

OH and the illuminati ALwAYS GiVE YOU wArnings before they do ANYTHING. It is one of their rules.
THIS IS WHY THERE ARE SO MANY QUARANTINE AND KILL movies coming out. Have you notice? lol

OR take the MOVIE THE HAPPENING. NATURE (lol) is forcing people to die. HOW do they escape it? WHen people start being individuals (by NOT bunching together in groups like the masses). LOL.
Trust me, they give plenty of warnings.
Search for it on youtube. this one crazy guy...DJHIVES has the same idea as me...but he is very angry. LOL
look him up on youtube his vids are easy to understand.

you say that the masses don't want to see the truth - I would suggest that is true for some, but not all. Many people truly think the world is "as is". They don't feel there "is" anything to question, any "lie" to uncover, any "new reality" to see. Not everyone is a thinker, or a questioner.

And don't forget, not everyone in the world is intelligent either - not their fault, just the way they were born. Are the "less bright" likely to question much to begin with ? Somehow I doubt it. Such types are not necessarily lazy or "willing slaves", they are just a bit dim . Along similar lines, not everyone has the benefit of an education, so never really get the chance to develop their minds to an extent which would faciliate more questioning of the world they live in, some people are deaf, dumb and mute so will never "see" much at all, some people are mentally ill, retarded, etc etc etc....yet you lump the whole of humanity under this term, "masses", and accuse just about everyone of being willing slaves!!!!

Alot of people have been programmed from birth remember, to believe in various things, to see the world through certain eyes. This kind of progamming can be impossible to undo in many people. They can't be blamed for being manipulated this way from birth !! They are VICTIMS.

By the way, I am still curious about what you said regarding we should look for a "sign" in the form of some star or second sun ? What on earth do you mean ?