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posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 01:53 PM
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Please stop and think for a bit.

South Ossetia is a province (self declared Republics) within a sovereign country, Georgia.

Georgia did not invade another country - Russia did.

For goodness sake people, if your gonna try to absolve a corrupt country of conducting a military operation for oil - at least get the basic facts straight. This is also the same country who has been assassinating reporters all over the globe.

Yeah, the US is the bad guy , the devil, and the source of all that is wrong with the world. /sarcasm




posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Every news station is saying that Russia attacked Georgia


Because Russia did attack Georgia...Georgian troops aren't in Russia, are they?


I think their point was that every news station is making it seem like Russia attacked Georgia for no reason at all. Georgia made the first move, but they haven't mentioned that at all.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyjackblack
@ SaviourComplex, I've been watching this story unfold from the beginning. It started out with Georgia shooting down Russian planes...


Let's puts the brakes on right there. That proves you have not been watching this since "the beginning." Two planes were shot down, you were right, but it happened during the Battle of Tskhinvali.


Georgia shot down two Russian combat planes as the two countries fought today for control of South Ossetia, a spokesman for Georgia's interior ministry tells the Associated Press. SOURCE



MOSCOW (AP) - A Russian military commander has confirmed that two Russian planes were shot down during the fighting in Georgia's breakaway province of South Ossetia. SOURCE



TBILISI, Georgia - Georgia's Interior Ministry spokesman says that Georgian forces have shot down two Russian combat planes.

Shota Utiashvili says the planes were downed while they were raiding Georgian territory, but wouldn't give their type or any further details. SOURCE


As you can see, the downing of the two planes took place during open hostilities. It did not begin with Georgia downing two Russian war-jets.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:01 PM
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So I guess Russia shot down it's own planes, and Russia killed it's own peace keepers that it sent over to Georgia to try and put an end to the violence?

Makes perfect sense


What about all the georgians that say there own gov is the corrupt ones, are we just to say that they've been paid by the russians to say that or some BS?

Seriously dude, I've been watching the story from the beginning, Georgia attacked Russia, period.

I know, I know, you're going to call me a crazy liberal or some BS like that, which I previously stated my political stance. I'm just pointing out facts, and the facts are, that this is a false flag, just like what Hitler and the US and many other countries have done. All governments are capable of the same evil and all governments partake in the same evil. As long as there is money and human beings controling the governments, there will always be corrupt governments, period. These are facts, not liberal propaganda as you may call it.

-Jimmy



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:05 PM
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Hmm... I thought that happened before all this broke out, guess I'm wrong, but the fact is that the Georgian government did kill the peace keepers that the Russians tried to send over, plus the possibility that (acording to some Georgians) the Gorgian government commited a false flag agianst it's self by bombing one of its own cities and then blaming the Russians.

Of course time will tell if that is true or not.
Fact is, Oil has a lot to do with this I believe.

-Jimmy



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyjackblack
but the fact is that the Georgian government did kill the peace keepers that the Russians tried to send over


Which at the time (August 4th) did not seem to bother Russia too much. It was not until the full-fledged "invasion" of South Ossetia began (August 8) that Russia responded.


Originally posted by jimmyjackblack
plus the possibility that the Gorgian government commited a false flag agianst it's self by bombing one of its own cities and then blaming the Russians.


Back this up.

[edit on 15-8-2008 by SaviorComplex]



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by l0ngsh0t

For goodness sake people, if your gonna try to absolve a corrupt country of conducting a military operation for oil - at least get the basic facts straight. This is also the same country who has been assassinating reporters all over the globe.



Okay, maybe I'm in the wrong thread or others are because I thought this was about pointing out media censorship of the story, not whose the good guy, whose the bad guy. I believe that is in another thread.

I know you weren't trying to single out anyone. But I would like to say that I personally do not absolve Russia of any wrong doing. Yes, they got involved and they shouldn't have. But...Georgia isn't the victim in all of this and that is the point. That is the point that keeps getting suppressed and that is why this thread was started. but others keep reverting back to the black and white issues of Russia attacking a smaller, sovereign nation; as wrong as that is, it doesn't make it right what Georgia did either and some of us just wish that others would see that and stop swaying to the war drums.

As for your comment on absolving a corrupt country conducting a military operation for oil---if I didn't know any better I would've thought you were referring to the US. We did exactly, EXACTLY, the same thing in Iraq and now were chastising another country for doing it too. Just like the US, Russia saw an opportunity to fulfill an agenda to control a pipeline and is trying to cover it up as protecting innocent people. The hypocrisy is astounding!



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyjackblack
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I've watched it from the beginning too, and trust me - Russia has been an antagonist in the South Ossetia conflicts - all the while moving military resources and fixing railroads for this military operation for at least 15 months prior. You had to know that at some point they would make up an excuse for entering Georgia to claim the pipelines. It doesn't take much to exacerbate a sensitive situation. Look at what Iranians have done in Iraq. The fact of the matter is - it was Georgia’s right to resolve conflicts within their own sovereign borders.

Please wake up - This is World War 3 and the lines are being drawn.

On one side it is
US, Britain, Tibet, Taiwan, Japan, essentially NATO

On the other
Russia, China, Iran, and some South American countries.

On what side do your loyalties lie?



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:23 PM
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One of the things to add up to the whole thing i think is that the American and most of the western public have seen Russia through the eyes of the media for the past 60 years or so and have got the image that Russians in general are evil and nasty people who want to take over the world and murder everyone, this is of course is due to the Cold War, politics etc. So when people see Russia in some kind of conflict with another country most people will just be happy to hear that the Russians are portrayed as the baddies as it is what they thought they are anyway, media sees it and shows them what they want to hear. And those people will never bother to believe the truth or even look for it as they already satisfied with the "truth" they want to know...

just some rant ))



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:24 PM
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Don't think anyone has posted this.

AMERICAN trapped in GEORGIA says Georgians Committing GENOCIDE.




posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by nunya13
As for your comment on absolving a corrupt country conducting a military operation for oil---if I didn't know any better I would've thought you were referring to the US. We did exactly, EXACTLY, the same thing in Iraq and now were chastising another country for doing it too. Just like the US, Russia saw an opportunity to fulfill an agenda to control a pipeline and is trying to cover it up as protecting innocent people. The hypocrisy is astounding!


Iraq had lost their soveriegnty after the first Gulf war and there were conditions in their surrender that they failed to comply with. So, their leadership was removed. If we are taking their oil or have in some way profitted from their oil fields - I'd like to know because that would be news to me and would make me feel better about the trillions we've spent on the whole thing.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by l0ngsh0t
Please stop and think for a bit.
South Ossetia is a province (self declared Republics) within a sovereign country, Georgia. Georgia did not invade another country - Russia did.

If you want the facts straight, here you are:
Georgian army attacked its own de jure province august 8, battering Ossetian town of Tschinval with "Grad" rocket systems. Later that day Georgian tanks entered the town and the villages in its area. They went on exterminating buildings and population inside the town. It's august 9 that Russian troops were there to stop the massacre. Where do you think those Ossetian refugees were heading, to Georgia? Like hell. They were fleeing from Saakashvili's tanks into Northern Ossetia, which is in Russia.
This girl is Ossetian. And she sure knows better than you and me whom to blame. She's been there herself.
Shame on Fox. Even republican media must not stoop to such tricks.
Let me know if you think any country is supposed to kill its citizens with "Grad".



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by kindred
AMERICAN trapped in GEORGIA says Georgians Committing GENOCIDE.


Thus far, only one source has confirmed any sort of "ethnic cleansing." Refer to my earlier post in this thread about the Human Rights Watch report.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by Art,Moscow
Georgian army attacked its own de jure province august 8, battering Ossetian town of Tschinval with "Grad" rocket systems. Later that day Georgian tanks entered the town and the villages in its area. They went on exterminating buildings and population inside the town.


There is no independent confirmation of this, outside of Russian propaganda. In fact, thus far, there is no evidence of this what-so-ever, and has been disputed by Human Rights Watch.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by kindred
AMERICAN trapped in GEORGIA says Georgians Committing GENOCIDE.

Thus far, only one source has confirmed any sort of "ethnic cleansing." Refer to my earlier post in this thread about the Human Rights Watch report.

Do you know that HRW is financed mostly by American funds and citizens? That explains the results. They just cannot be impartial.
Imagine Russian-financed human rights activist in the AbuGhraib.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:46 PM
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In my eyes, this is nothing new. Every source of knowledge, including text books to news outlets having been lying to us for generations.


It doesn't surprise me one bit that Russia isn't the actual aggressor in this case. Russia may be all 'big and bad', but their not evil.

Interesting to see whats going to happen.

Peace,
FK



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by SaviorComplex
There is no independent confirmation of this, outside of Russian propaganda. In fact, thus far, there is no evidence of this what-so-ever, and has been disputed by Human Rights Watch.

The Georgian've been shelling the town for several hours. It doesn't need any confirmation. BTW do you know what "Grad" is?
There must have been many victims. I don't know how many yet. Maybe 2.000 is exaggeration by Kokoyty (SO leader). But there is no intact building in Tschinval now.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:53 PM
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I wish I lived in a country that had a leader who gets a 90% approval rating from his citizens. Putin must be one hellava guy.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by Art,Moscow

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by kindred
AMERICAN trapped in GEORGIA says Georgians Committing GENOCIDE.

Thus far, only one source has confirmed any sort of "ethnic cleansing." Refer to my earlier post in this thread about the Human Rights Watch report.

Do you know that HRW is financed mostly by American funds and citizens? That explains the results. They just cannot be impartial.
Imagine Russian-financed human rights activist in the AbuGhraib.


Interesting - you think that they would find anything worse than the HRW has found themselves? We actually have checks and balances to ensure that we are holding ourselves to a higher standard. If we do something wrong, we have to hear about it over and over and over from, the rest of the world and half the people in our country who actually believe that we're evil. We can't all just assasinate everyone with something negative to say about us. We'll leave that to countries like Russia, China, and Iran.

Also - is there anything that isn't financed by American citizens. We pay for everything - while world sits back and complains.

[edit on 15-8-2008 by l0ngsh0t]

[edit on 15-8-2008 by l0ngsh0t]



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by Art,Moscow
The Georgian've been shelling the town for several hours. It doesn't need any confirmation...


It doesn't? Then I why not believe any figure given, like the Georgian claims only 100 died.

By the by, according to The Moscow Times...


But there is little evidence that civilians were specifically targeted by Georgian troops as Russia claims.



Originally posted by Art,Moscow
But there is no intact building in Tschinval now.


There's not?


Several residential areas seemed to have little damage, except for shattered windows, perhaps from bomb concussions.



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