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posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by malganis
But you don't have to taint your own mind by committing torture and letting out your own obvious bloodlust. I know things like this can make you angry, but keep your composure and don't become a sadistic b*stard like him, otherwise eventually everyone will just have a sadistic mind.


Sorry but we don't live in an ideal world, as much as we would like to. Things like that would wake up even emotionally dead people, and with red-blooded (and horrified) fathers of young children on this board... Forget warm and fuzzy feelings. These are not sadists because they don't have inclination to do that just because - like that bastard did. It's just a desperate, and impossible, attempt to get even. And that's human.


[edit on 15-8-2008 by buddhasystem]




posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 01:02 PM
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I understand. The torture element is fueled by anger and mainly serves the purpose of getting rage out. When I say torture him, I know that this will not make things better. I know that his mind does not work like mine, and that there is nothing that I can do to to make things even. My point isn't really even about torturing him. My main concern is that he has committed unspeakable crimes in the past, and if things were taken care of then, this would not have happened. There are too many REPEAT offenders of violent crimes. They should not get the chance to repeat what they have done.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:10 PM
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For those people saying torturing this man will accomplish nothing, you're so wrong. Would it bring me down to his level? Hell no, because I'm not sexually torturing kids to death
This man deserves to die an excruciating death because thats the pain he inflicted on those kids.

It's situations like these that America needs to make use of its secret torture prisons throughout the world. If I was torturing him I would have great fun, but I can't really tell what I would do because I suspect I'd get a warning or two for breaking t&c conditions.

If this vile scum doesn't get the death penalty, believe me, he will feel a bit of the pain those kids went through. The inmates will run trains on him in prison.

If you don't know what a train is, it's a gang rape. Hopefully theres some sex starved inmates in the prison he's going to.


Edit: Look at this sick freak
The things I would do to him

www.starmonitor.com...

I now have a new target for shooting practice



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posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:17 PM
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i hope he fries...

and fries some more when the electric chair falls to kill him.
may that evil ***tard die a long and painful death.


some folks honestly do not believe that there is pure evil in this world - only that some people are merely "misunderstood" or that they had a "troubled" upbringing.

i'm sorry - i dont buy it. there truely are some people in this world who you can label as berng pure evil - and that murderer is one of them.


[edit on 15-8-2008 by netron]



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 02:22 PM
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.....sorry...something wrong with firefox...

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posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 03:43 PM
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Being from Idaho this really hits close. I drove by the home where this happened and it is too chilling, and I am not easily unnerved. Not only has this poor child suffered such trauma, her only family left is her father and brother. And her father is dying of cancer and her brother is a felon, who I think may still be in prison. So what scares me is what will happen to her in the long run.

When one discovers the methodology in which Duncan perpetrated this crime there is no other description than evil. Though I do not necessarily believe in good or evil, I can not think of any other description. The death penalty will not suffice in this mans punishment, his penalty should be long and sinister, slow and vicious.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 04:10 PM
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I just read that this little lady had to testify at the trial and describe this crime. I sincerely hope the judge kept the defendants lawyer in check and that the lawyer had a heart. Not that many do .... the scoundrels, anyway, in cases like this testimony should be by video tape so it is not turned into a circus.

Zindo



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by gnosis111 Not only has this poor child suffered such trauma, her only family left is her father and brother. And her father is dying of cancer and her brother is a felon, who I think may still be in prison. So what scares me is what will happen to her in the long run.


I don't forsee her having any kind of a bright future


Kids that endure much less traumatic experiences than her often turn to drugs, and what she went through is horrific. I don't see any way she can cope normally



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
reply to post by malganis
 


He is NOT innocent. He does NOT deserve humane treatment. He gave up that right the minute he violated an innocent person (child).

Sitting in prison cell with : porn, outside communication whith whomever, food, bed, clothing, etc etc. all by himself with 100% proection from other inmates...................is NOT JUST punishment for what he has done.


Please quote the bit where I said he was innocent. And also the part where I (or anyone on this thread for that matter
) said that he should have a prison cell with all that stuff you just listed.

What's that? Oh, you can't because you just put those words into my mouth to try and make yourself look right. If you're going to do that then at least TRY to be subtle.


[edit on 15/8/2008 by malganis]



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 04:35 PM
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when dealing with this type of person, seagul and others are right to caution about becomeing what we are trying to stop, however there are times, like with this guy, that recompence is called for,, there have been a lot of good ideas on how to deal with this guy.. but there also has to be a proper blend of common sense and sense of justice, this guy deserves to be tortured and killed the way he did. but does that make it ok for us to do so, a very fustrating conundrm. i think that there are times where the payment for a crime justifies what has been suggested on this thread, we cannot clump all crimes in the same boat, somtimes compassion is deserved and somtimes it isnt. u know let the punnishment fit the crime..
i say execute him and let the father have the choice to filp the switch himself



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by scorand
when dealing with this type of person, seagul and others are right to caution about becomeing what we are trying to stop, however there are times, like with this guy, that recompence is called for,, there have been a lot of good ideas on how to deal with this guy.. but there also has to be a proper blend of common sense and sense of justice, this guy deserves to be tortured and killed the way he did. but does that make it ok for us to do so, a very fustrating conundrm. i think that there are times where the payment for a crime justifies what has been suggested on this thread, we cannot clump all crimes in the same boat, somtimes compassion is deserved and somtimes it isnt. u know let the punnishment fit the crime..
i say execute him and let the father have the choice to filp the switch himself


We wouldn't be becoming what we're trying to stop because we're not sexually torturing kids!!!!!

He gave a young boy an excruciating death, and pretty much killed the young girl because there is no way in hell she will ever lead a normal life.

Prison won't cut it because he will be separated from the inmates with comforts. If he gets executed, it's a quick death.

If we torture this man to death, then he will suffer


If believing in this makes me inhuman, than I guess I'm inhuman for despising pedophiles and sick deviant freaks like this pathetic excuse for a human.

Castrate him and shove it down his throat and let him choke on it



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem
Sorry but we don't live in an ideal world, as much as we would like to. Things like that would wake up even emotionally dead people, and with red-blooded (and horrified) fathers of young children on this board... Forget warm and fuzzy feelings. These are not sadists because they don't have inclination to do that just because - like that bastard did. It's just a desperate, and impossible, attempt to get even. And that's human.


Yes I know exactly where you're coming from, and I agree there is a definite primal urge to rip these sorts of people apart, but our society isn't designed so that you can just loose your primal urges. Maybe if modern society had turned out differently then you could, but it didn't.

However appealing it may be to torture him, it just psychologically wouldn't be a good idea for you or society. Once you accomplish bloodlust it would just open your mind to the fact that bloodlust is ok, and breed more, it would ruin your mind, especially if it's extreme. That's human.

It's like when soldiers go off to brutal wars and see/commit terrible things and come back totally different people, and not in a good way. It's not their fault, they were just doing what they thought was right at the time and ended up ruining themselves, you don't want that happening in society.



Originally posted by passenger
Well, how about the possibility that some sort of hideous execution, made public, would act as a deterrent to other potential deviants? That was the whole rationale behind ancient forms of torture such as crucifixion and the like; a warning to others that may contemplate the same course of action.

Granted, some are so depraved that nothing will sway them from their deviance but if it did dissuade one potential psycho, wouldn’t it be worth it?


Not if you're going to end up with hordes of people coming out to the town square every weekend clapping and cheering at 'hideous execution', no.

I thought that's what we were meant to be hating the 'primitive' Middle Eastern countries for, but now you want to see it in the USA? Make your minds up. Guess we'll be needing something new to call the Middle East 'evil and backwards' for then.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 04:47 PM
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thats another good idea.. i agree with u on this.. i was just pointing out the conundrum about possibly becoming what u want to stop or destroy. but in this case this guy should get what he dished out



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 06:08 PM
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Some of you are forgetting or may just not know about some of the facts in the case.
1. Joseph Duncan went to the house where Dylan and Shata Groene lived and murdered 3 other people with a hammer after tying them up.
2. He murdered those people strictly because he wanted the children for his playthings and they got in his way. He planned this a. of time.
3. He killed Dylan right in front of Shasta when he decided he was done with him. Dylan was killed by a slug from a shotgun.
4. He has already pled guilty to these crimes which carry the possibility of the death sentance here in Idaho.
5. He is not insane, this has already been established, he did what he did because he wanted to, and for no other reason.
6. The current deliberation is over sentencing, jail or death.
Just thought some of you needed to be reminded that this is a case of multiple murder, kidnapping, and child rape.
Kill this example of human garbage and be done with it already.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 08:25 PM
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Well whats even more ridiculous is this "thing" is representing himself in court. But she will not have to testify any further, and has not that I have read had to face him since the crimes were committed.



posted on Aug, 15 2008 @ 10:36 PM
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posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 12:20 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I can't tell you how strongly I agree with your entire post. This monster should never have been allowed the chance to harm another living being after the first one.


To the rest of you. I understand the anger, truely I do. My neice and nephew were abused by their own father. Anger? Trust me, I'm there, been there for twenty years.

My only point in this whole discussion has been my contention that a prolonged torture-like killing of the monster accomplishes exactly nothing. It doesn't bring the child back, it doesn't send a message to other monsters like him, it wouldn't suddenly make the monster "see the light", it would only hurt "us" as a society.

His death, and he should die, should be merciful and quick. No fuss, no muss, and forgotton just as quickly. Our attention should be firmly on the living victim in this horrid event. This little girl has lived, and is living, a nightmare...and it's not going to end anytime soon. I truely hope there is somesort of support network in place for her, as I understand her father is very sick, as well?





As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 02:28 AM
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Wow this makes me so mad. To think how terrifying it was for me be lost in the supermarket away from my mom, as a little kid. 20 xs worse to be violated at an age where you are so scared of adults and then get killed. I hope they beat this jerk up in prison!



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 03:02 AM
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I cant even express the sadness that I felt reading that article.

My heart is broken for that little boy, his father and the poor girl who will have to live with the horrors of seeing her brother murdered by this sick freak....this human abomination against God.


If I were that father I honestly dont know what could stop me from blowing his brains out. I just dont see how I could go on knowing that he was still breathing air.


The cruelty of the human heart knows no limits and the perversity of man never fails to amaze. People like this guy make me sick to even be of the same species.



posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 03:09 AM
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This is sad to hear, the human race is truly failing.




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