C-130 video confirms 84th RADES Data

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by beachnut
Flight 77 was flying over 500 mph, using the RADES data the time of impact is 13:37:27, the two returns are after 77 is destroyed in the Pentagon.

Gee that must be nice to have information that has not been released yet.

So you admit again, Ultima1, that the "information" exists that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

We already knew that.

Thanks, good buddy. I'd be glad to help you get that boot out of your mouth!

Originally posted by Swing Dangler

Has Reheat or Beachnut provided an explanaton for a 757 traveling 1501.2 mph contrary to the ANC workers that stated the plane was traveling rather slowly?

Hey, Swing, you got those flyover eyewitnesses statements yet, all those people on the far side of the Pentagon who were in fantastic positions to see that "flyover?"

What's taking you so bloody long, SwingDing? Can't find a single eyewitness, eh?

Originally posted by jthomas
So you admit again, Ultima1, that the "information" exists that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

How can you know what exists if it has not been released?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas
So you admit again, Ultima1, that the "information" exists that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

How can you know what exists if it has not been released?

You confirmed it as information about AA77 above. It's a little late to back out of your admission now, good buddy.

Originally posted by jthomas
You confirmed it as information about AA77 above.

What are you talking about?

Please show me anywhere in the quote i posted about information on AA77 hitting the Pentagon, or be adult enough to admit you are wrong.

www.defenselink.mil...

WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 -- The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.

FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month, Arlington Fire Chief Edward P. Plaugher said. He said he expects "additional remains will be discovered during the course of the FBI investigation" and mortuary specialists will remain on site to process them.



WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.

The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon. MDW will oversee ongoing security operations around the damaged area of the building. FBI investigators will move their operations to the Pentagon's north parking lot and continue to sift through debris for more evidence.

[edit on 3-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas
You confirmed it as information about AA77 above.

What are you talking about?

Your quote above that I responded to originally. First, you can't remember it, now you can't find it!

The blind leading himself, the blind. Who would have thunk? lol:

Originally posted by jthomas
Your quote above that I responded to originally. First, you can't remember it, now you can't find it!

Well talk about blind, becasue i made no statment abot AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

More proof that beleivers have to try to put words in peoples mouth or twist the posts because they cannot have a mature discussion.




[edit on 4-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
We know the FBI only spent 5 days on the crime scene at the Pentagon, after stating it would take them 30 days. Which you would think they would have spent a lot of time on since this was a the biggest terrorist attack on the US and the Pentagon being HQs for the military.

You are wrong. Will you be mature enough to admit it?

Using your own source:

"We've been overwhelmed by the support provided by the service members, firefighters, police and relief organizations that have worked with us over the last two weeks," said Van A. Harp, assistant director in charge of the FBI Washington Field Office. "Our job would have been more difficult without the selfless service of these brave men and women."

www.defenselink.mil...

It's also not like the FBI packed up and left the Pentagon:

FBI investigators will move their operations to the Pentagon's north parking lot and continue to sift through debris for more evidence.

(your source again)

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
You are wrong. Will you be mature enough to admit it?

Please read the following quotes as many times as it takes for you to understand and be adult enough to admit to.

The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21

FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month.

Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today. The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation.

[edit on 4-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

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"We've been overwhelmed by the support provided by the service members, firefighters, police and relief organizations that have worked with us over the last two weeks," said Van A. Harp, assistant director in charge of the FBI Washington Field Office. "Our job would have been more difficult without the selfless service of these brave men and women."

I am showing you the Assistant Director in charge of the FBI Washington Field office stated here that they were there for two weeks.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
I am showing you the Assistant Director in charge of the FBI Washington Field office stated here that they were there for two weeks.

So they were there. BUT they scene was a rescue and recovery scence untill the 21st when the FBI officially took over the site as a crime scene.

Do i need to keep repeating the quotes?

The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21

FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month.

Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today. The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation.

[edit on 4-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

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please post the link to the date of the 21st.

Thank you.

reply to post by ULTIMA1


please post the link to the date of the 21st.

Thank you.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
please post the link to the date of the 21st.

Thank you.

It used to be with the other defenselink site but here it is on another defenselink site.

www.defenselink.mil...

WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 – The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.
FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month, Arlington Fire Chief Edward P. Plaugher said. He said he expects "additional remains will be discovered during the course of the FBI investigation" and mortuary specialists will remain on site to process them.

So the FBI took over the site as a crime scene on the 21st, then stated it would take about month.

Then on the 26th they turned the site over and ended the crime scene investigation.

So they only spent 5 days on the crime scene.

Ultima....


Seems you are correct... well...not really.

Arlington County Fire Department (ACFD) Chief Edward Plaugher, in whose
jurisdiction the Pentagon is located, took command of the incident and became the Pentagon I.C. (Incident Commander). Using standard Incident Command System (ICS) protocols, Chief Plaugher assigned an Operations officer to develop and implement the strategy while he managed the overall incident in a Unified Command mode with the military and local law enforcement and FBI. Since this was obviously an apparent terrorist attack, the entire incident was a crime scene and an active fire and rescue operation…a situation that calls for Unified Command).

www.ukfssart.org.uk...

Unified Command was established. It appears on the 21st, the FBI assumed full jurisdiction.

Regardless... The time spent is not an issue. They were there before and after they have jurisdiction.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Regardless... The time spent is not an issue. They were there before and after they have jurisdiction.

Yes it is an issue.

1. The 10 days of rescue and recovery contaminated or destroyed evidence.

2. The FBI only spent 5 days at the crime scene instead of the month they originally stated it would take.

Why would they only spend 5 days on such a big, important crime scene?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Regardless... The time spent is not an issue. They were there before and after they have jurisdiction.

Yes it is an issue.

1. The 10 days of rescue and recovery contaminated or destroyed evidence.

2. The FBI only spent 5 days at the crime scene instead of the month they originally stated it would take.

Why would they only spend 5 days on such a big, important crime scene?

Dude... I am very close to not having conversations with you.

They were there ON SEPTEMBER 11th !!!!! Part of a unified command with other local authorites. They were there at the scene for over 3 weeks.

Did you bother to read the document I linked you to?

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
They were there ON SEPTEMBER 11th !!!!!

Let me explain 1 more time.

So what if they were there on the 11th.

THEY DID NOT TAKE OVER THE CRIME SCENE UNTILL THE 21ST. DO I HAVE TO KEEP SHOWING THE FACTS OVER AND OVER UNTILL YOU ARE ADULT ENOUGH TO ADMIT TO IT?

The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.

[edit on 5-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

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You are clearly unable to comprehend what is shown to you. JURISDICTION of the crime scene. It was a crime scene from day 1. But at day one Arlington County Fire Department (ACFD) Chief Edward Plaugher, in whose
jurisdiction the Pentagon is located, took command of the incident and became the Pentagon I.C. (Incident Commander). Using standard Incident Command System (ICS) protocols, Chief Plaugher assigned an Operations officer to develop and implement the strategy while he managed the overall incident in a Unified Command mode with the military and local law enforcement and FBI. Since this was obviously an apparent terrorist attack, the entire incident was a crime scene and an active fire and rescue operation…a situation that calls for Unified Command.

I am done with this conversation with you. As I am done trying to explain to you how the number 94 = "dozens"

[edit on 5-9-2008 by ThroatYogurt]

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
You are clearly unable to comprehend what is shown to you.

You are clearly do not want to be adult enough to admit the facts and evidence that clearly states when the FBO took over the site as a cime scene.

The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.

[edit on 5-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]