C-130 video confirms 84th RADES Data

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Please show me a official report that states DNA evidence that the bodies from AA77 were in the Pentagon.

This thread appears to have the information you are looking for:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by exponent
This thread appears to have the information you are looking for:

I see nothing official about DNA from the passengers found in the Pentagon, only the people that worked in the Pentagon.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I see nothing official about DNA from the passengers found in the Pentagon, only the people that worked in the Pentagon.

Perhaps you should read the various reports linked in the thread? All but 5 passengers were identified. How did they manage this if they didn't find DNA?

Originally posted by exponent
Perhaps you should read the various reports linked in the thread? All but 5 passengers were identified. How did they manage this if they didn't find DNA?

So what if the passengers were identified, That was not the question, were any of the passengers bodies actaully in the Pentagon?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1So what if the passengers were identified, That was not the question, were any of the passengers bodies actaully in the Pentagon?

Yes, although I doubt 'bodies' is an accurate summation of their condition at that point. Lets just say that sufficient tissue was available inside The Pentagon for analysis.

Originally posted by exponent
Lets just say that sufficient tissue was available inside The Pentagon for analysis.

Can you show the official DNA or crime scene reports that state this?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Can you show the official DNA or crime scene reports that state this?

I linked you to the thread discussing this at the top of the page. I'm not about to go collecting quotes until it meets your approval. Please read that thread and then ask me any questions that aren't answered in it and I will be more than happy to answer them as best I can.

Originally posted by exponent
I linked you to the thread discussing this at the top of the page.

But their was no official reports stating what i asked for.



[edit on 25-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Exponent is going off-topic here- isn't this a thread about C-130(s) and USAF 84 RADES data? Attempted "amazing" derailing of the thread perhaps?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
But their was no official reports stating what i asked for.

Perhaps you could be more specific. In that thread there were reports from the team who recovered the DNA, and a map of where the DNA had been recovered from. What additional information do you require?

Originally posted by exponent
What additional information do you require?

I would like to have actual evidence that bodies from the plane were in the building.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I would like to have actual evidence that bodies from the plane were in the building.

Who, or what evidence would you trust? You have obviously seen the reports from the DMORT and other teams in the area, and the map in that thread of pentagon bodies was admitted into evidence in court. However, if you can be more specific, and tell me what sort of evidence you would accept, then I will do what I can to provide it.

Originally posted by exponent
Who, or what evidence would you trust?

Well the best would be the FBI crime scene reports.

But the Cororner reports stating bodies from the planes were in the building would also work.

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Exponent is going off-topic here- isn't this a thread about C-130(s) and USAF 84 RADES data? Attempted "amazing" derailing of the thread perhaps?

Possibly, I am more than happy to take this to another thread. I am somewhat of an ATS newbie so I don't know how much deviation is expected.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Well the best would be the FBI crime scene reports.

I don't believe the FBI produced specific crime scene reports, you could potentially file a FOIA request for them. Even so, the map showing the locations of bodies was presented in court on behalf of the US Government. I don't know how much more 'official' you can get.

But the Cororner reports stating bodies from the planes were in the building would also work.

I'm not sure there were coroners there, but you can find many accounts of people locating DNA, here is just one example: www.911myths.com...:Edson2004.pdf

I am quite certain you will somehow claim that these are 'not official enough', but as I have yet to look through the FBIs large releases to Mike W, I don't know if there are any other reports I can show you at this time. My suggestion to you would be to find the phone number of these teams and call them. They can tell you what they found and where they found it.

Originally posted by exponent
I don't believe the FBI produced specific crime scene reports, you could potentially file a FOIA request for them. .

Well i hope the FBI did produce crime scene reports becasue of the 9/11 crash scenes were crime scenes by law.

We know the FBI only spent 5 days on the crime scene at the Pentagon, after stating it would take them 30 days. Which you would think they would have spent a lot of time on since this was a the biggest terrorist attack on the US and the Pentagon being HQs for the military.





[edit on 29-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

reply to post by Reheat


Hmmm one big DODGE!

Originally posted by SPreston
C-130 RADES Data flight path 15 miles to the southwest apparently headed for Arkansas
instead of Minnesota (shown with blue stick pins)

Another huge discrepancy in the faked 84th RADES data, which I have just noticed. I want you Reheat and beachnut to have the pleasure to see it first, so you can get your denial act fully in gear. Go for the gold guys.

At the 9:38 blue stickpin (C-130) which is next to the 9:36:48 red stickpin, (Flt 77) the alleged 757 has 12 seconds to reach the Pentagon wall at the official 9:37 time. By measuring, I have determined the distance from that position to the Pentagon to be 5+ miles. Dividing 5 miles by 12 seconds gives a result of .417 miles per second. Multiplying .417 by 60 gives a result of 25.02 miles per minute. Multiplying 25.02 by 60 gives a result of 1501.2 mph. That is one fast little 757.

Did you do that Reheat?

1501.2 mph for an ordinary 757 without rocket assists?

Is that your Amazing Randi Forum Of Illusionists mathematics in action?

Do you guys need more proof that the RADES was faked?

On another note, checking the C-130 speed from the same spot at 9:38, the C-130 arrives next to the Pentagon at 9:39:35. Dividing 5 miles by 95 seconds gives a result of .05 mps. Multiplying .05 by 60 gives a result of 3 mpm. Multiplying by 60 gives a result of 180 mph for the C-130. Hmmmm. Seems kinda slow. But I guess it can fly that slow.

Has Reheat or Beachnut provided an explanaton for a 757 traveling 1501.2 mph contrary to the ANC workers that stated the plane was traveling rather slowly?

*crickets*

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
We know the FBI only spent 5 days on the crime scene at the Pentagon, after stating it would take them 30 days. Which you would think they would have spent a lot of time on since this was a the biggest terrorist attack on the US and the Pentagon being HQs for the military.

That's something of a distortion of fact.

Perhaps they took total control of the site for 5 days but their presence was considerably longer than that.

From Defenselink News

The FBI were present on site almost immediately on 9/11 and handed over responsibility for site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m on Sept 26th. FBI personnel continued to to sift through debris for more evidence in the Pentagon north parking lot for some time after that date.

Originally posted by Swing Dangler
Has Reheat or Beachnut provided an explanaton for a 757 traveling 1501.2 mph contrary to the ANC workers that stated the plane was traveling rather slowly?

*crickets*

Aaaah, Hello World, Welcome to Swing Dangler!

Beachnut pointed out in detail earlier where the forenamed made several errors. In addition, the mathematician's apology for embarrassing himself and the "troof club" is posted on all of the web sites where he normally hangs out.

Obviously, you haven't noticed his absence since that faux pas.

*crickets* indeed!

[edit on 2-9-2008 by Reheat]

Originally posted by Pilgrum
That's something of a distortion of fact.

NO not really. The FBI was there but did not officially take over as a crime scene untill Sept. 21 (it was a rescue opereation untill then) and then handed the scene back over making it the end of the crime scene.

www.defenselink.mil...

WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 -- The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.

FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month, Arlington Fire Chief Edward P. Plaugher said. He said he expects "additional remains will be discovered during the course of the FBI investigation" and mortuary specialists will remain on site to process them.



WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.

The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon. MDW will oversee ongoing security operations around the damaged area of the building. FBI investigators will move their operations to the Pentagon's north parking lot and continue to sift through debris for more evidence.

[edit on 2-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]