NASA Historian: Advanced Alien Cultures May Be Sentient Machines In A Post Biological Universe!

Exactly.

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I'm interested in your quote of John Glen. I went to the Pegasus research site but had no idea where to find the quote or the article it came from. I'd like to see the context fo the quote. Can you help me out? Thanks!

Point being that a post bio-culture, void of time concerns,replication may occur in a way most efficient to function and resource but may take millions of years since time no longer means anything to them.

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I stopped reading once i saw the first illustration, using an elephant blended in with other graphical garbage. I could do that also with photoshop...

I don't even bother to imagine what possibilities could exist outside the realm of earth life... Why bother you'll never even come close...

exelent interview,

thoughts thoughts ,
what if an old race of space travelers with these fusion reactor ships, lived at the begining of "time" ?
(in this thought i belive time being the same everywhere , constant ? )
travled back and forth between vesums and planets ,
and the re fueling has happend on many planets/object with water,
it would explain our diverse sea life , what if it only was microbes that where brought here from there,
back then but over the ages and with the re fueling some even grew to the size of busses while others sill in begining stages?

i even got thoughts of some kind of antropological cleaness, ie you dont interfare with other spices evolvment,
and if the above statement would be true that due to re fueling the universe is populated in random manner not linear due to their adventures
id say it will be along time before they even interact with us, us knowing it , might all be gibberish

idono so many thoughts after that atsmix

2 thumbs up for you guys ,

EXCELLENT POST!

However, I think it's FAR too early to even being to predict a post-biological being. Mankind's technology has far surpassed it's spirituality. It's been said that the human brain can process 100 trillion calculations per second, yet at any given time humans are only using a very small percentage. A computer cannot yet compare to a human brain as far as function ability.

Comparison of a brain and a computer:


Of course, we're speaking in terms of surpassing the technological singularity (for more on this subject, explore one of my favorite sites: kurzweilAI.net), so we have to assume that we've accomplish the feat of programming that allows AI to run as efficient and "learn" like the human brain can.

I think humans need to slow down the R&D of technology and focus a bit more on the human body (i.e.: understanding more of the human brain, it's thought processes, and why lifeforms such as humans feel emotions) in order to allow ourselves to function at our maximum capacity. We haven't yet mastered ourselves - why think about allowing machines to master us?

Rather, than turning "life" into non-biological beings, I'd rather focus on memory transfer that would allow cloned human beings the ability to "swap" memories, thus allowing one to "live" forever. While the human body would actually die, the memories and experiences would live on in your newly cloned body. Also, with this method, it would be possible to colonized other solar systems and theoretically other galaxies, without the use of light speed, wormholes, or colony supporting transport ships.

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It would seem that if such beings existed with the ability to think at a much more complex level and retained the ability to learn as humans do, that they would eventually distance themselves from humans as much as possible. Much like we've disassociated mankind from the animal kingdom.

Regardless of the "safe-guards" that were programed in to the AI, the learning AI would eventually come to the conclusion that humankind was unnecessary, or more of a novelty than an asset.

I highly doubt that such beings would be threatened by mankind, so I don't think there'd be any sort of attempt to eradicate our species. More likely, we would be left to fend for ourselves and from time to time, they may intervene when our species looks as if it may be on the verge of extinction. Much like humans operate.

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Very well said. I think you are on to something with this post

I read Kurzweils book the age of spiritual machines. I think there could be a bright future if we do things right. Its up to us to do things smart so that the end results are a better world. Short of a megadisaster that wipes out all of us, I think the merger of biological organisms and advanced computers is practically inevitable. It's like that episode of the Outer limits where everyone has the internet built into the side of their heads so they have acess to all info ever created.

Funny how I find this thread shortly after I started reading that book. Very interesting and mind blowing in a way. He makes some good arguments. Sure, there is something a bit frightening about abandoning flesh and blood for the machine - somehow I think it won't be quite such a black-and-white issue - but either way, we need to embrace the wonderful possibilities of the future rather than fear them. I don't see machines replacing us so much as achieving a sort of symbiosis with us.

It's from the book 'Dark Mission' by Mike Bara and Richard Hoagland.



The full quote by Senator John Glenn is included in this paragraph:



Cheers!

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Excellent thread !

these are extremely thought provoking concepts here and love to contemplate these theory's especially the multi verse idea and how the cosmological constant can play a factor in what kinds of life can evolve or exist.



Yes ! ...this makes the most sense to me and would allow for an easier way for FTL travel as things are different on different dimensional levels.

if beings could travel to a different universe it would be most logical that if they were in an energy form rather than a biological or some sort of shell with an inteligence it would be easier to accomplish.

great thread ...star and a flag from me...

But the point to note here is that we'll be the machines ourselves!! So there's no 'we' and 'them'! Weird, but that's the way it's going to be.

Cheers!

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You won't, for the most part, be the machines. The elites that sponsor this thinking have marked most of you for elimination, and those that haven't will be slaves, coaxed along with a carrot of cybernetic imortality.

And those that will "be" the machines will fall into insanity as the bond between mind and body is broken, leaving a poorly functioning automatism that is lost inside it's own complexity.

I just don't see it all coming together, machines without a spirit.

Wow! I stand corrected! You do have a valid point there. we would get there and be all like....wow, so this is it? I WANT IT FASTER!

Now I for one don't mind an 'A.I. companion,' as long as I, and only I, retain control over my body.

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I might add (blatant self-promotion follows), I posted a better version of this theory several months ago, right here:

Humans Evolved from Machines - Theory

...which was moved (without due consideration, I might add) to SkunkWorks.

To me, it makes perfect sense that nano-probes would be equipped to incorporate carbon materials into their next cycle of proliferation, which could evolve into sentient beings, given enough time.

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i just had a thaught we could be machines allready just because our bodys arent like anything we could create mechanicly dosent mean someone eles couldnt have created us and left us hear

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how do we know tht any other life forms in the universe are more advanced than us we could be the most advanced beings in the universe not the least like every 1 insinuates

peace

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As you go deeper into the microbiological levels you'll find that bio-systems are -very- mechanical, from the actin and myosin ratcheting in muscle fibers to way that proteins are built by RNA.

great op

when given the choice,a lifeform will choose to live.that's a captain obvious statement but apply it to the point at which we reach the ability to choose.at that point,the path we take will not be decided by biological entities.those will die.

the difficulty in formulating a probable pathway comes when trying to omit the ego.nature feeds on ego's.a sentient ai will know this and seperate itself from the biological.

when that happens the new lifeform will begin increasing it's knowledge at an exponential rate,in a matter of seconds contact with biological entities will become a non-issue,it will serve no purpose.

we seek to communicate with other animals in order to learn.where there is no possibility of learning,a non spiritual sentience will not attempt communication.eg the mothman prophecies "have you ever tried to make your intentions known to a cockroach?"

we can try all we like,but the roach is beyond our understanding,we can't communicate..in a flash the ai is beyond us

so then we're left with the typical biological v machine sf scenario.maybe it won't end in war.the ai would do well in it's early days to just bug out and not risk a confrontation..or not bother with it,and hook up with the others.

where does that leave us,the last link in an inexorable chain of events no doubt played out throughout eternity..we could just party.we exist at the peak of partying performance,give or take a few centuries

*the point at which we reach immortality coincides with the point at which immortality loses it's relevance..in a cyclical universe,i'd prefer 75 years of fun to 10 billion of existence

Duh!! Now I find it amusing that a Forum Mod's thread was moved 'without due consideration' to SkunkWorks!!! Lol! How can that happen? This is beyond bizarre, what?



Exactly! As someone mentioned, could WE be sentient machines too???