Thank you, President Bush, page 22

reply to post by mabus325

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Oh, don't be so bloody stupid! The US funded Al-Quada, gave money to North Korea, spends more money on the military than on universally accessible health care, doesn't give the poor any tax breaks, wrecked Iraq and its' history (which goes back some 6,000 years to Sumer - which gave us wheels, the sail boat, and base 60 - like the 60 minute hour etc.). Bush's Pax Americana has damaged US relations and has made an international mockery of the US. Bush stole the White House so he is the squatter in chief. He lied about September 11. You're no patriot.

reply to post by TheAvenger

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Kerry has about 30 IQ points up on George. He would have balanced the budget.

GWB is a moron. My dog would have balanced the budget better.

American's would just rather vote for what they perceive as a rough tough individual, when in actuality they voted for a low intellegent, scared rich man's child that never grew up.



[edit on 15-8-2008 by ofhumandescent]

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by TheAvenger

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Kerry has about 30 IQ points up on George. He would have balanced the budget.

GWB is a moron. My dog would have balanced the budget better.

American's would just rather vote for what they perceive as a rough tough individual, when in actuality they voted for a low intellegent, scared rich man's child that never grew up.



[edit on 15-8-2008 by ofhumandescent]

The President cannot spend money only the Congress. The President can only propose, read your constititution, it's not that difficult.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
Well said.

I don't trust his dad any further than I could throw Maine.

And, sometimes I have wondered how much he had to dance to the puppet masters and how much he was earnestly trying to do good for God and Country as he saw it.

On the whole, I think he's a good hearted man trying to do good and stay alive long enough to at least slow evil down in it's march toward globalist hideousness.

I've not been happy with some of his pressures on Israel. But maybe what he was able to do in such situations was a lot better than he was ordered to do. I don't know.

Should we just enable them some more?

In any case, he's tons and tons better than Shrillery, Obumma, Skerry and a list of others might have been.
They would have been TRAITOROUSNESS INCORPORATED and brazenly, flagrantly so. Then we'd have been discussing what the meaning of "traitorousness" is . . . along with the meaning of "is."

Uh huh. They haven't been in office but you already know that this dunce is better?

W only thinks about W and his interests and that of his cronies. He's out to help that small percentage of the population that owns the majority of the wealth.

Thanks for the thread. There's tons of chronic whining all over the net and plenty hereon. It's great to take stock and affirm what's worth affirming.

People are whining because they are sick of the man. Even the people who voted for him started complaining right after the reelection. People in this country don't vote for the person who might be best in office, they vote against the person they don't like, even if that person is more qualified. I heard people say they were going to vote for Bush because he was better looking than Kerry!

So please don't hold any stock on the fact that this moron was re-elected as meaning he was best for the job.

reply to post by jfj123

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Bush has written many executive orders that infringe on our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS

Could you tell me which executive orders you are specifically talking about?

If mr. bush would reign in speculation and re-instate the windfall tax the he removed,

Don't Congress have power to reign in speculation?

When did Bush remove the windfall tax?

Also, don't forget that mr. bush also said with regards to the Constitution,
"It's just a godd@mn piece of paper".

Can't find anywhere where Bush said this. I did find a one person told another person who told another person that Bush had said that but they don't name the sources.
Do you have a transcript or video where Bush said this?

I agree with you on caring about Iraq.

reply to post by jam321

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The Executive Order entitled "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq" provides the President with the authority to confiscate the assets of whoever opposes the US led war.

A presidential Executive Order issued on July 17th, repeals with the stroke of a pen the right to dissent and to oppose the Pentagon's military agenda in Iraq.

The Executive Order entitled "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq" provides the President with the authority to confiscate the assets of "certain persons" who oppose the US led war in Iraq:

"I have issued an Executive Order blocking property of persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people."

In substance, under this executive order, opposing the war becomes an illegal act.

In May 2007, Bush issued a major presidential National Security Directive (National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51/HSPD 20), which would suspend constitutional government and instate broad dictatorial powers under martial law in the case of a "Catastrophic Emergency" (e.g. Second 9/11 terrorist attack).

NSPD 51 grants unprecedented powers to the Presidency and the Department of Homeland Security, overriding the foundations of Constitutional government. It allows the sitting president to declare a “national emergency” without Congressional approval. The implementation of NSPD 51 would lead to the de facto closing down of the Legislature and the militarization of justice and law enforcement.

"The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government...."



Advocates for the release of government documents say the executive order violates the spirit of the 1978 Presidential Records Act and will usher in a new era of secrecy for papers left behind by America's chief executives.

The White House says the order simply sets up a procedure for implementing the act and gives former presidents more authority to claim executive privilege to withhold certain papers. Absent ``compelling'' circumstances, the incumbent president will agree with a former president's decision to disclose or withhold documents, the White House says.

Just a few examples. I can post more if you like.

reply to post by jfj123

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I will admit that the way it is worded it does look like it might violate some of our rights. But I am also under the understanding that congress can revoke this Executive Order 13438 by passing a law to protect us from the rights that Bush allegedly took away from us. I am also under the understanding that executive orders can be challenged in the court to see if they violate the US Constitution. As a result I don't think the orders are as powerful as people assume them to be. Please correct me if I am wrong.

As far as NSPD 51, I feel it is just a contingency plan on how government will operate if the unexpected was to happen.

It allows the sitting president to declare a “national emergency” without Congressional approval.

In EXECUTIVE ORDER 13129 President Clinton declared a national emergency.

constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United
States, and hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.

source

Chaos did not ensue despite President Clinton declaring a national emergency.

I share your view that the possibility of a president going astray and trying to take total control of government does exist. However I don't believe it to be Bush.

In my view, Bush hasn't been the best President, nor has he been the worst. Unfortunately, the President, no matter what party, gets blamed for everything. Add the fact that most Americans are divided by party lines only adds fuel to the fire as ATS members try to defend their party. Regardless of who is President, I must give them Thanks for trying their best in a complicated and ever changing environment.

Our three branches are built on checks and balances. I fault Congress for their lack of initiative to put the Presidents powers in check. Seems like Congress prefers to Bicker rather than correct the overreach of the executive branch. The courts are limited in their ability to check because a case must be presented before they can make a ruling on the Constitutionality of an issue.

I appreciate your response and respect what you say.

Sometimes I wonder if we are being manipulated by people who want to see the gloom and doom days come true. Seems like everything I read or hear points to those days of chaos that await us in the future. I prefer to believe that better days await us.

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