Never really understood why people bicker so much about the US election on here... surely people on a site like this would know that voting is just a
smoke and mirrors illusion - to make you feel like you have control over your country through voting.
Voting Ron Paul doesn't change anything when the votes are manipulated in counting... it was on live TV for gods sake yet you are still harping on
about that it'll work.. no it won't. However overthrowing the govt and installing Ron Paul or whoever does. It's getting to the stage where force
may have to be the only way to solve some problems. One of them being that USA is sick to the core.
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reply posted on 15-8-2008 @ 12:43 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by MacDonagh
Ha!
Very funny...who actually LEADS in a Parliamentary system?
Heck, who actualy really leads in the American tripod of government, as it was originally intended?
Oh, yes! I remember!!!
The majority of the citizens are supposed to dictate....well, not dictate, but express their opinion to help GUIDE the Gov't.
THAT was the basis, of our Constitution...."Just a damn piece of paper" according to GWBush....
I suppose the Magna Carta was also "Just a damn piece of paper" as well.
So....the USA was based on, by the Founders....a 'triad'
the 'Executive', at the top...the 'Juidiciary' as a middle, and the 'Representative' as the base. Suppossed to 'represent' WE, THE PEOPLE!!!
THIS is the pyramid, on the dollar bill, that everyone wonders about...
BUT....when did we lose control, of our 'electorate? It's when money came in to play. Lobbyists, and then Corporations....and it gets filthy after that....I think everyone knows the score, by now.
Oh....the 'ALL SEEING EYE'???
I'll let others handle that bit....it';s been discussed, likely will again, on ATS.
Try to tie this all together, would you please??
Ha!
Very funny...who actually LEADS in a Parliamentary system?
Heck, who actualy really leads in the American tripod of government, as it was originally intended?
Oh, yes! I remember!!!
The majority of the citizens are supposed to dictate....well, not dictate, but express their opinion to help GUIDE the Gov't.
THAT was the basis, of our Constitution...."Just a damn piece of paper" according to GWBush....
I suppose the Magna Carta was also "Just a damn piece of paper" as well.
So....the USA was based on, by the Founders....a 'triad'
the 'Executive', at the top...the 'Juidiciary' as a middle, and the 'Representative' as the base. Suppossed to 'represent' WE, THE PEOPLE!!!
THIS is the pyramid, on the dollar bill, that everyone wonders about...
BUT....when did we lose control, of our 'electorate? It's when money came in to play. Lobbyists, and then Corporations....and it gets filthy after that....I think everyone knows the score, by now.
Oh....the 'ALL SEEING EYE'???
I'll let others handle that bit....it';s been discussed, likely will again, on ATS.
Try to tie this all together, would you please??
reply posted on 15-8-2008 @ 12:51 AM by SevenStarHand
Hello again all,
This is a very interesting and timely thread. I have experienced this same behavior and far worse on multiple forums, blogs, and elsewhere. I have been engaging people over the last several years, trying to break through the moronic mindset that has infected the population of the USA and the rest of the planet. It seems to be worse in the USA though. A series of generations have been raised with the idea that freedom of speech is an unassailable concept, with little or no interest paid to the far more important concepts of wisdom and good judgement.
From my point of view, the entire culture of the USA is an abject failure. It is delusion and illusion that hides widespread ignorance and a complete lack of understanding of the basics of life. The vital need to care for and support one's fellow humans and other life forms is less than an afterthought. One need only look at the vast amount of waste, destruction of nature, and this culture of war, greed, self-interest, materialism, etc., etc. Western civilization is a failure and there is no other truthful way to characterize it.
Now please take the time to read through the following links and spend some time at my blogs. I have worked hard over the last several years (and many lifetimes before that) preparing to be here today to offer humanity a way out of this mess. So far, most people have acted just like Bill has alluded to. A bunch of clueless halfwits, too arrogant and stubborn to realize that most of the animals we kill or the people you look down on are far better behaved than most Americans. Nonetheless, most Americans think they are superior. Not because they personally are, but because the civilization they lay claim to has "tamed nature" and subdued much of the rest of the planet.
Well, looks like we have done such a good job that nature is now kicking us in the teeth, because humanity deserves it. Karma's a bitch when She's been riled and if we don't change our collective paths soon, the USA and much of human civilization is going to go down in history as a sad sad story of great loss, much like what we hear of "Atlantis."
So, my counsel to you all is to read what I am suggesting, because it'll help you help everyone else, and that in turn will help you. The key to ending all the wars and struggle is to focus on the needs of everyone else, and not be so clueless and self-centered. You have been duped down the wrong path and now it's about to lead all of you to shame and destruction.
Be patient, practice humility, and seek true wisdom...
Who am I to lecture you in this manner? Pay attention and those who want to know will find out...
Start here...
and
Then here...
and then
You can find all of my blogs at the bottom of this page...
Peace and Wisdom...
This is a very interesting and timely thread. I have experienced this same behavior and far worse on multiple forums, blogs, and elsewhere. I have been engaging people over the last several years, trying to break through the moronic mindset that has infected the population of the USA and the rest of the planet. It seems to be worse in the USA though. A series of generations have been raised with the idea that freedom of speech is an unassailable concept, with little or no interest paid to the far more important concepts of wisdom and good judgement.
From my point of view, the entire culture of the USA is an abject failure. It is delusion and illusion that hides widespread ignorance and a complete lack of understanding of the basics of life. The vital need to care for and support one's fellow humans and other life forms is less than an afterthought. One need only look at the vast amount of waste, destruction of nature, and this culture of war, greed, self-interest, materialism, etc., etc. Western civilization is a failure and there is no other truthful way to characterize it.
Now please take the time to read through the following links and spend some time at my blogs. I have worked hard over the last several years (and many lifetimes before that) preparing to be here today to offer humanity a way out of this mess. So far, most people have acted just like Bill has alluded to. A bunch of clueless halfwits, too arrogant and stubborn to realize that most of the animals we kill or the people you look down on are far better behaved than most Americans. Nonetheless, most Americans think they are superior. Not because they personally are, but because the civilization they lay claim to has "tamed nature" and subdued much of the rest of the planet.
Well, looks like we have done such a good job that nature is now kicking us in the teeth, because humanity deserves it. Karma's a bitch when She's been riled and if we don't change our collective paths soon, the USA and much of human civilization is going to go down in history as a sad sad story of great loss, much like what we hear of "Atlantis."
So, my counsel to you all is to read what I am suggesting, because it'll help you help everyone else, and that in turn will help you. The key to ending all the wars and struggle is to focus on the needs of everyone else, and not be so clueless and self-centered. You have been duped down the wrong path and now it's about to lead all of you to shame and destruction.
Be patient, practice humility, and seek true wisdom...
Who am I to lecture you in this manner? Pay attention and those who want to know will find out...
Start here...
and
Then here...
and then
You can find all of my blogs at the bottom of this page...
Peace and Wisdom...
reply posted on 15-8-2008 @ 01:14 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by burdman30ott6
OK, BM30Ott6
Did, or did not George W Bush say that, about the Constitution? (please select the year, when he stated it)
Is it just an 'urban legend'?? Minds that try to deny ignorance want to know.
I will retract, if I am told it is a false statement, from GWB. This is on record, here....
Slightly off topic, but related to the Pres campaign....
John McCain, because of his wife 'Cindy' has a net worth of about....USD$100 Million, per MSNBC. He owns 10 houses....yet, puts out campaign commercials about how hard working Americans might suffer under an Obama Presidency, because HE, McCain, knows how hard it is for the average workig American. (am paraphrasing here, but the AD makes me want to throw up in my mouth, I've seen it often)
OK....what exactly is the dis-connect here?
YES....OK, Skeptic Overlord is trying to make a point....but, so am I.
OOOPS....I am thinking about it....it's kinda moot....HeHe....it's actually funny, see....you pointed your (censored) gun at me, and I fell for it....BUT, what I have written, will stand!!!
even if we have just proven SO correct....I will now skulk away, tail between legs.................
OK, BM30Ott6
Did, or did not George W Bush say that, about the Constitution? (please select the year, when he stated it)
Is it just an 'urban legend'?? Minds that try to deny ignorance want to know.
I will retract, if I am told it is a false statement, from GWB. This is on record, here....
Slightly off topic, but related to the Pres campaign....
John McCain, because of his wife 'Cindy' has a net worth of about....USD$100 Million, per MSNBC. He owns 10 houses....yet, puts out campaign commercials about how hard working Americans might suffer under an Obama Presidency, because HE, McCain, knows how hard it is for the average workig American. (am paraphrasing here, but the AD makes me want to throw up in my mouth, I've seen it often)
OK....what exactly is the dis-connect here?
YES....OK, Skeptic Overlord is trying to make a point....but, so am I.
OOOPS....I am thinking about it....it's kinda moot....HeHe....it's actually funny, see....you pointed your (censored) gun at me, and I fell for it....BUT, what I have written, will stand!!!
even if we have just proven SO correct....I will now skulk away, tail between legs.................
reply posted on 15-8-2008 @ 02:00 AM by burdman30ott6
reply to post by weedwhacker
OK, for the absolute last time, I don't know if anyone has ever asked Bush if he said it. The point is, if you embrace said Constitution as much as you claim to, you'd realize that there's a little thing called presumption of innocence that kinda sorta goes along with the 5th & 6th amendments. There's also the little sticking point of this supposed quote having only been attributed to a single source (Doug Thompson, a man with a major agenda against the president and every reason to fabricate stories such as this) and he admits that it was double hearsay, having heard the quote from 3 staffers who claimed to have heard the quote from another staffer who was in on the meeting at which it was supposedly said. Nobody is named, nobody corroborates the story, and nobody aside from Thompson has ever heard the story except from Thompson. Yet how frequently does it get imbedded into agenda driven posts and threads around here and passed as being the gospell? It is the Alex Jones syndrome... if you tell yourself something is true enough times and then reitterate it by prefacing every lie with "we know that..." in an authoritative manner it obviously has become magically true.
Deny ignorance doesn't mean "call anything that doesn't agree with your pinhole view of the world ignorant." It means to actually think for yourself... don't read that someone you hate supposedly said something which bolsters your negative view on them and immediately say "*gasp!* that bastard obviously said it because it makes me angry at him!" Look at the source of the story and look for some backing evidence. If a perfectly impartial person saw this evidence, their reaction would be "Hmm, well I guess it is possible that this was said, but it is also very possible that it is fabricated and without more evidence it's impossible to say, so this must be discarded unless such corroborative evidence surfaces." I'll tell you, I hate Obama with a passion... yet you'll notice that I don't go running around inserting "His wife considers me to be "whitey"" in threads here. Why? Because I don't know that she ever said that and I'd look like an ass to use something that shakey as reasoning for bashing the man.
OK, for the absolute last time, I don't know if anyone has ever asked Bush if he said it. The point is, if you embrace said Constitution as much as you claim to, you'd realize that there's a little thing called presumption of innocence that kinda sorta goes along with the 5th & 6th amendments. There's also the little sticking point of this supposed quote having only been attributed to a single source (Doug Thompson, a man with a major agenda against the president and every reason to fabricate stories such as this) and he admits that it was double hearsay, having heard the quote from 3 staffers who claimed to have heard the quote from another staffer who was in on the meeting at which it was supposedly said. Nobody is named, nobody corroborates the story, and nobody aside from Thompson has ever heard the story except from Thompson. Yet how frequently does it get imbedded into agenda driven posts and threads around here and passed as being the gospell? It is the Alex Jones syndrome... if you tell yourself something is true enough times and then reitterate it by prefacing every lie with "we know that..." in an authoritative manner it obviously has become magically true.
Deny ignorance doesn't mean "call anything that doesn't agree with your pinhole view of the world ignorant." It means to actually think for yourself... don't read that someone you hate supposedly said something which bolsters your negative view on them and immediately say "*gasp!* that bastard obviously said it because it makes me angry at him!" Look at the source of the story and look for some backing evidence. If a perfectly impartial person saw this evidence, their reaction would be "Hmm, well I guess it is possible that this was said, but it is also very possible that it is fabricated and without more evidence it's impossible to say, so this must be discarded unless such corroborative evidence surfaces." I'll tell you, I hate Obama with a passion... yet you'll notice that I don't go running around inserting "His wife considers me to be "whitey"" in threads here. Why? Because I don't know that she ever said that and I'd look like an ass to use something that shakey as reasoning for bashing the man.
reply posted on 15-8-2008 @ 02:14 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by burdman30ott6
UM....'Habeus Corpus'
Magna Carta
First Amendment, to the Constituition....we all have the feedom to speak...so far.
Peace, good night, and good luck!
UM....'Habeus Corpus'
Magna Carta
First Amendment, to the Constituition....we all have the feedom to speak...so far.
Peace, good night, and good luck!
reply posted on 15-8-2008 @ 07:21 AM by Baxtoriafall
Lol, people get foolish around election season.
reply posted on 15-8-2008 @ 08:13 AM by MacDonagh
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by MacDonagh
Try to tie this all together, would you please??
You've already got a good idea on what really goes on in the world of politics. We are controlled by smarmy deviant megalomaniacs who are picked purely on their brown nosing skills. That, or the Bilderbergs have something to do with it.
reply posted on 17-8-2008 @ 05:38 AM by caballero
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
Amen Skeptic, very well written.
George Washington in his Farewell Address to the nation spoke of three major things that would harm the health of the nation.
Two of his warnings coincide with what you are saying. Washington said that political factionalism would be the first thing to hurt the country, splitting the political parties into two would put more focus onto party issue rather thanthe issues of the country. Washington also said that above all we need to put the country before anything before our state, before our party the country should be what we focus our energies on. If you were to focus solely on state issues than you arent thinking of the well being of the country anymore.
What Washington was trying to say was that above all the country's issues are what we need to focus on. He is almost a prophet, everything he warned us against we did. We dont care about the country we only care about what our party thinks about the country. It has become solely what party is better, we dont ever focus on the county anymore. Republicans are anti-abortion, democrats are pro. This country was founded on the ideal that everyone is free and everyone will decide whats best for themselves, but somehow down the line that idea was morphed into the party is free and we need to decide whats best for the party.
Bipartisan government is the worst thing that has ever happend to this country and possibly the world. I agree with you skeptic we need to forget about which party is better and we need to decide who will do the best for the country.
Amen Skeptic, very well written.
George Washington in his Farewell Address to the nation spoke of three major things that would harm the health of the nation.
Two of his warnings coincide with what you are saying. Washington said that political factionalism would be the first thing to hurt the country, splitting the political parties into two would put more focus onto party issue rather thanthe issues of the country. Washington also said that above all we need to put the country before anything before our state, before our party the country should be what we focus our energies on. If you were to focus solely on state issues than you arent thinking of the well being of the country anymore.
What Washington was trying to say was that above all the country's issues are what we need to focus on. He is almost a prophet, everything he warned us against we did. We dont care about the country we only care about what our party thinks about the country. It has become solely what party is better, we dont ever focus on the county anymore. Republicans are anti-abortion, democrats are pro. This country was founded on the ideal that everyone is free and everyone will decide whats best for themselves, but somehow down the line that idea was morphed into the party is free and we need to decide whats best for the party.
Bipartisan government is the worst thing that has ever happend to this country and possibly the world. I agree with you skeptic we need to forget about which party is better and we need to decide who will do the best for the country.
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