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Edgar Cayce prophecy of John Peniel

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posted on Mar, 15 2004 @ 01:18 PM
I was going to post another link to the documentary about Cayce, I reencoded it fe windows media 9, it looks alot better.

download here

As for Cayce I can see why people want to criticize and belittle his readings, they fly in the face of modern philosophy and science. Actually if his readings were taken seriously they would decimate most of what we believe as a culture.

In which case I became interested in them, the vast majority of his readings were on health, he had been going into hypnotic state for about a decade before he mentioned anything that sounded really weird (Atlantis, reincarnation, ancient Egypt, end time prophecies). His readings were amazing enough without the whole Atlantis thing to tip the boat on the skeptics.

All I can say for myself is when reading these strange things he said I got a certain warm knowing feeling, fairly uncommon to me until recently.

Actually it was while researching Cayce readings on Jesus that I stumbled onto a review about the 'Lost Teachings..' book. It was by a ARE member, there is a buzz in that community over a then fairly obscure reading made by Cayce about a John Peniel who was to establish a new order of things, and make plain spiritual teachings for men to understand.

After reading 'The Lost Teachings of Atlantis' I believe this is the message that was to be sent.

Here’s the reading


The reading was given Jan 19, 1934, between 11:40 to 12:40 A. M.

4. Hence, in giving the interpretation, MANY are present;
many of those whose names alone would bring to others awe -
discredit, yet - even a wonderment. For, not only then must
the information be instructive but enlightening; yet it must
also be so given that it may be a PRACTICAL thing in the
experience of thine own self and in the experience of life of
thine fellow man. Not only must it be informative in nature,
but it must also be that which is constructive; though
[pause] that which is informative and that which may be
enlightening and constructive must at times overlap one

5. First, then: There is soon to come into the world a body
[See Par. 6 below]; one of our own number here that to many
has been a representative of a sect, of a thought, of a
philosophy, of a group, yet one beloved of all men in all
places where the universality of God in the earth has been
proclaimed, where the oneness of the Father as God is known
and is consciously magnified in the activities of individuals
that proclaim the acceptable day of the Lord. Hence that one
John, the beloved in the earth - his name shall be John, and
also at the place where he met face to face [Peniel].
[GD's note: Could this mean that John, the beloved, had
been Jacob? See 3976-15, Par. R2.] * *attached below**

6. When, where, is to be this one? In the hearts and minds of
those that have set themselves in that position that they
become a channel through which spiritual, mental and material
things become one in the purpose and desires of that physical
body! [GD's note: Beginning of new age of spiritual
awakening? See 5749-5, Par. 5--7; 281-38, Par. 16.]

10. Who shall proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord in him
that has been born in the earth in America? Those from that
land where there has been the regeneration, not only of the
body but the mind and the spirit of men, THEY shall come and
declare that John Peniel is giving to the world the new ORDER
of things. Not that these that have been proclaimed have
been refused, but that they are made PLAIN in the minds of
men, that they may know the truth and the truth, the life,
the light, will make them free.

11. I have declared this, that has been delivered unto me to
give unto you, ye that sit here and that hear and that see a
light breaking in the east, and have heard, have seen thine
weaknesses and thine faultfindings, and know that He will
make thy paths straight if ye will but live that YE KNOW this
day - then may the next step, the next word, be declared unto
thee. For ye in your weakness [pause] have known the way,
through that as ye have made manifest of the SPIRIT of truth
and light that has been proclaimed into this earth, that has
been committed unto the keeping of Him that made of Himself
no estate but who brought into being all that ye see manifest
in the earth, and has declared this message unto thee: "Love
the Lord thy God with all thine heart," and the second is
like unto it, "Love thy neighbor as thyself." Who is thine
neighbor? Him that ye may aid in whatsoever way that he, thy
neighbor, thy brother, has been troubled. Help him to stand
on his own feet. For such may only know the acceptable way.
The weakling, the unsteady, must enter into the crucible and
become as naught, even as He, that they may know the way. I,
Halaliel, have spoken.

anoter good site for cayce material is

it is also a good site in general

as well a link to the book by Jon Peniel

[Edited on 16-3-2004 by slave]

[Edited on 16-3-2004 by slave]

[Edited on 16-3-2004 by slave]

posted on Mar, 16 2004 @ 11:10 AM

This whole reading about Peniel is unusual in that at the end of the reading, we find that it was not the inner being of the entranced Cayce speaking, as is usually the case. It is a being named "Halaliel" speaking. The reading in general is one of Cayce’s more confusing ones, but a number of things are indisputably clear, like the fact that the reading concludes by saying "I, Halaliel, have spoken". In our teachings, the hierarchy of the Children where the first to come to Earth attempting to rescue the "first wave" humanimals. The leader of that "rescue mission", was the being later to become known as Jesus. He was followed next by those closest to Him, those of the hier-arch-y of the Children who have been called "arch-angels" by some, and who we refer to now as "the old ones". Did you notice something in common with the names of well-known archangels, the being speaking through Cayce (a lesser known hierarchy "angel" according to our teachings), and Jon's name? It’s the "el" at the end of their names, Rafa-el, Micha-el, Halali-el, etc. So keep that in mind when you read the "Peni-el" reading segment below:

"There is soon to come into the world a body; one of our own number here that to many has been a representative of a sect, of a thought, of a philosophy, of a group, yet one beloved in all places where the Universality of God in the earth has been proclaimed, where the oneness of the Father as God is known…"

Apparently, many "false Peniel" claimants have come from the ranks of the ARE or their hierarchy. In defense of their claims of being the fulfillment of "Cayce’s John Peniel" prophecy, many of them cited the beginning part of the above segment "There is soon to come into the world a body; one of our own number here". They said that "one of our own number here" meant that John Peniel would be an ARE member. It seems to me that besides "stretching" the interpretation of the reading because they wanted substantiation for claiming to be Cayce’s John Peniel, it was also a misinterpreted for other reasons. Since it wasn’t Cayce speaking, it wasn’t one of his own. So it wasn’t referring to the ARE. It was Halaliel speaking, so thus it would seem more accurate to conclude that it was "one of Halaliel’s own" who was being referred to. And there is another part of the reading segment that indicates that Peniel would not be of the ARE, but of Halaliel’s group. The rest of the phrase – "…that to many has been a representative of a sect, of a thought, of a philosophy, of a group, yet one beloved in all places where the Universality of God in the earth has been proclaimed, where the oneness of the Father as God is known…" First of all, the ARE was clearly not a sect in 1936 when this reading was done, nor is it now. I suppose it could be considered "a group", but it really isn’t, and doesn’t consider itself to be "a group". Thus a Peniel representing the ARE, couldn't be a representative of a sect or group as the reading states he would be.. So who would fit that phrase? See the next paragraph. Secondly, the reading is speaking of Peniel as being, "one beloved in all places where the Universality of God in the earth has been proclaimed, where the oneness of the Father as God is known…" That also doesn’t fit the ARE as far as I’m concerned, and wouldn’t have even applied to Cayce at the time. They are primarily focused on only spreading the word via Cayce readings, and only the spirituality expressed in the readings. That is not Universal, it is separatist. And anyone doing so would not be beloved in ALL places where the Universality of God has been proclaimed. Jesus would not be a member, nor would John the Beloved. Thus the reading is referring to someone who would be beloved and embraced in that way, and it seems to infer, also has been in his past lives. That would require Peniel to be a being who is focused on something that is truly Universal in all places where the Universality and oneness of God is proclaimed and known – the Golden Rule – Unselfish Love. Some version of The Golden Rule is something common to all religions recognizing the Oneness of God (regardless of the name they call God). And the Golden Rule is the focus of the non-dogmatic teachings of the Children. So who they are referring to, would more likely be a spiritual teacher who also started movements and had followers in present and past lives, who lives a life of unselfish love (and teaches unselfish love, kindness, harmlessness), and who teaches the Oneness of the Universal Spirit/God, without any separatist qualifications or dogma. So let’s look at the reading segment again, with all the above in mind. I’ve placed the interpretations that make most sense to me, in brackets.

Again, remember it is not in doubt or question, even by the ARE, that the reading is referring to John Peniel:

"There is soon to come into the world a body; one of our own number here [one of Halaliel’s "own number" – one of the "old ones"] that to many has been a representative of a sect [the Children?], of a thought, of a philosophy [the "thought" and philosophy of the Children?], of a group [the Children?], yet one beloved in all places where the Universality of God in the earth has been proclaimed, where the oneness of the Father as God is known…"

That last part also describes the teachers of the Children perfectly. What other possible sects, or groups, could J. Peniel be a representative of, that fits such a description of being beloved in all places where the Universality of God in the earth has been proclaimed, where the oneness of the Father as God is known? It would have to be someone who’s philosophy was equally acceptable to true Christians, true Buddhists, true Jews, true Muslims, and anyone who believes in the universality and oneness of God. To my knowledge, only the lineage and teachings of the Children, would be universally acceptable to those from such varied groups as mentioned above (of course, even then they would have to be open minded true followers of their religion’s original prophets/founders). Thus, the reading indicates to me that Peniel would have to be a teacher of the Children of the Law of One, and an "old one" who has been beloved in many of his lifetimes, in many parts of the world, amongst those of many varied paths.

Another misinterpretation involving the "There is soon to come into the world a body" part of that reading, is that people mistakenly assume that meant Peniel would be born during the year of that reading, or thereabouts. But Cayce never said that, he said just "soon". Anyone who has really studied prophecy, also knows that "soon" can mean a week, a month, a year, 10 years, a hundred years, or even a couple of thousand years. Jesus was prophesied to return "soon", shortly after the crucifixion. That doesn’t mean there still won’t be a second coming, even though "soon" might mean 2000 years. Besides prophecy, even visionary or other statements work the same way.. Would a "visionary" in 1940 who said, "Soon, men will begin to travel into space", mean they were going to do so in 1940? Of course not. If the prophet Nostradamus predicted that centuries ago, would he have meant that it was going to happen in his lifetime even? Again, of course not. But you can understand how he could still make the statement, "Soon, men will begin to travel into space", and be right. Also, true prophecy is a tricky thing, and is for the most part, altered by free will, especially altered are time lines. The Cayce readings predicted the great earth changes in ’36, yet they didn’t come to pass (yet). Does that make him a false prophet, or was the timing just a "bit" off in the great scheme of things and the grand time line. Other times, when Cayce was asked such questions about when the earth changes would take place, he’d say essentially, "Only God knows". So what did "soon" mean to Halaliel? I personally think it was Jon's re-entry time, which was after that date.

I have heard from sources friendly to us within the ARE, that there has been much turmoil and reorganization within their hierarchy lately. Could this be the result of their anti-J. Peniel attitude and actions, falling off their path, and refusing to see that our work and teachings are those of the Universal Spirit/God working through us? Here’s an excerpt from the reading about Peniel:

"He comes as a messenger, not as a forerunnner…these are periods when mental, material, are to be so altered in the affairs of men as to be even bringing turmoil to those that have not seen that the Spirit is moving in His ways, to bring the knowledge of the Father in the hearts and lives of men."

That excerpt is referring to Peniel, yet Cayce’s secretary made the assumption that in the phrase, "that the Spirit is moving in His ways", referred to God, thus she capitalized the word "His". But Cayce didn’t spell it out, or say whether or not to capitalize that word. If you remove the capitalization, and assume the "he" Cayce is referring to, is Peniel (which was who the reading was about), it changes the meaning of the reading entirely, and drastically. Try re-reading the above excerpt, only "un-capitalize" the "His", and for a moment, consider it to be referring to Peniel. It comes across very differently.

Consider the following interpretation as a possibility: Part of Peniel’s mission on Earth, could easily be said to "bring the knowledge of the Father in the hearts and lives of men." Also, it can easily be interpreted that after referring to the general problems of the time period, Cayce goes on to say that turmoil would come into the lives of anyone who doesn’t see/recognized that the Universal Spirit is moving in his (Peniel’s) ways, to bring the knowledge of the Father in the hearts and lives of men. You can interpret as you wish obviously, but to me, the above interpretation seems to make much more sense of that part of the reading. And I further think that the ARE’s declining membership, over-budgeting, being short millions of dollars for their budget (used for what anyway???) and the internal turmoil/removal & replacement of board members, etc., is all karma resulting from their refusal to deal with this John Peniel issue, and refusal to recognize that regardless of the name issue, the Spirit is moving in Jon's ways, to bring God to the hearts and lives of humanity. Again, Jon doesn't claim to be the "Cayce predicted" Peniel, and doesn’t care if he is or not. I do know however, that he has an important mission here, it is being done, it is being recognized, he is being declared by some (not us) as THE "John Peniel", and some pretty "weird" things are happening with it and around it. It could of course be all one grand coincidence. But you’ve got to admit, it would be VERY strange if that’s all it was, and the odds would be VERY much against it. And we don't believe in coincidences.

Footnote: The Hebrew meaning of the name John, Jon (or Johanan), is "Jehovah has favored". The meaning of the name Peniel, is essentially "one who has seen God face to face".

posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 03:53 PM
This is a taste of what Jon Peniel had written about during his life, some of it is tough love, but I believe an imporatnat message that needs to get out.

If you are interested they have more chapters, and info at

New Year�s 2001 Message from Jon Peniel.

First of all, for those of you who have been concerned about my health, thank you, and I�m OK. My body was about "down and out for the count", but one of my student monks who decided that was unacceptable, did a substantial "laying on of hands" type healing, allowing the hierarchy/God/Universal Spirit to work through them. So it seems I'm stuck here a little while longer. How long, only God knows. Which brings me to this saying:

If you had only 30 minutes to live,
what would you do?
who would you call?
what are you waiting for?

(Mod Edit... please don't copy entire web pages and put them into messages. It is against our terms and policies. Thanks.)

[edit on 3-9-2008 by Byrd]

posted on Aug, 11 2008 @ 10:17 AM
I started reading Edgar Cayce 32 years ago just because he was so far out! But over the years I have clearly seen that science, archeology and astrophysics have gradually come to support his readings. I never expected this, but now we have it so we must adjust!

All of his works and prophesies need to be taken very seriously, while realizing that no future is cast in stone, the future is guided by karma, astrology, and especially astronomy -- as it is becoming clearer now that earth changes are controlled by astrophysical forces and what Cayce called cosmic forces. A big word to the wise here.

Those who say Peniel's teaching do not match Jesus' teachings need to look again. Peniel's teachings do not match Constantine's council of Nicaea and it's ridiculous cannonization of the scriptures. This is the only problem and its easy to fix. We must adjust.

posted on Aug, 11 2008 @ 12:07 PM
reply to post by slave

Cayce got several thing wrong:
1. He predicted California would slide into the ocean in the 1960s
2. The Anti Christ would appear in 1998 (many believers now state he meant born in that year)
3. Atlantis would be proven in the 1950s
4. When he did health "readings", he threw in the kitchen sink. He would name all possible problems before giving his cure.
5. His believers all said he was illiterate, when he could read quite well.

I take Cayce with a grain of salt. The era he was from was loaded with frauds, and I place Cayce among them.

posted on Sep, 3 2008 @ 08:59 AM
reply to post by slave

Has anyone noticed the strange similarity to JOHN mccaine and sarah PALIN? John Penille?

posted on Sep, 3 2008 @ 11:21 AM
I too was taken back by Edgar Cayce,did a lot of reading on him,the more I read the more he somewhat reminded me of Stichin,excellent story tellers,and unlike Nostradomus people try to sway things in his direction,not saying he might have got a few things right but I think anyone can get lucky by chance not unlike a Cub's fan,hey it could happen

posted on Sep, 3 2008 @ 11:50 AM
reply to post by Oldtimer2

Please read "Edgar Cayce: An American Prophet" by Sidney D. Kirkpatrick

The documention of Cayce's readings are incredible.
Just to Clarify....Cayce was only the "Channel" to the "source"
He had no recollection of what came out of his mouth.
Also different sources spoke thru Cayce.

In regards to prophecy, the source stated that the farther out in the future
you go, the less accurate the prophecy will be becasue of the will of man.

It is believed the Cayces accuracy was ~ 95%

Also search this site, there is alot of info on Cayce.....

Read the will quiet the naysayers.........02c

[edit on 3-9-2008 by Pinktip]

posted on May, 3 2010 @ 02:52 AM
Well this is just interesting enough to read.

posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 03:03 PM
reply to post by jpeniel

have you read the children of the law of one and the lost teachings of atlantis ?

posted on Oct, 2 2017 @ 11:14 AM
a reply to: slave

The author of the book John Peniel did a legal name change to sell books. He is not the person Edgar Cayce was referring too.

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