The "Truth" of Billy Meier [HOAX], what they don't want you to know...

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posted on Aug, 16 2008 @ 11:46 AM
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I agree with you, TerraX. When I suggested that the teachings were good I meant in 'general' since they are nothing new and are outwardly based on being a 'free' and 'responsible' human being. Albeit, the inherent 'message' is quite different, just like any other (cultist) belief.

Perhaps I'll have to retract that statement? TerraX has 'reminded' me and echoed a good friend that I have. When one respected individual says something and then another one 'echoes' that statement then I am 'lead' to question my own?

There are certain 'NWO' and 'NAZI' type ideas in the information including eliminating a large portion of the world population and suggestions as to there being a 'superior' mentality and race such as Hitler ranted on! I agree with the entire "The world is overpopulated" message. To be honest I agree to the need for enforced 'birth control' but I DO NOT agree with allusions to 'causing' an actual elimination of millions of living people in any way regardless of any supposed 'critical mass' that the world may be facing because there are allegedly too many human beings on it!

OK, so I suppose that I DO retract ANY positive remarks as to the Spiritual teachings, at least if taken as a WHOLE and not in 'parts'.




[edit on 16-8-2008 by Teri Uhouse]




posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by Teri Uhouse
I agree with you, TerraX. When I suggested that the teachings were good I meant in 'general' since they are nothing new and are outwardly based on being a 'free' and 'responsible' human being. Albeit, the inherent 'message' is quite different, just like any other (cultist) belief.

Hi Teri. My remarks weren't directed at you personally. Spirituality is something positive and worthy to achieve. I don't have any opposing comments on that subject. What I do wanted to point out is that a person can look where it leads to because within a spiritual body there can pathways leading or directing a person to a certain outcome. I'm of the opinion that this is happening in Meier's spiritual teachings.

When you look at Meier's information you can easily see that he himself is the epicenter of the teachings, present or in previous reincarnations, and that his alien contacts who only communicate through him are the authority when it comes to matters such as spirituality or the truth. His Plejaren contacts are often referred to as "gods of wisdom". Meier turns out to be the "prophet of all time".

From my perspective, Meier spiritual teachings have two fundamental objectives. The first is to spread a sense of spirituality among the people, make them open to the idea of reincarnation and the existance of the spirit. The second objective is to lead the people to those who are the authority on spirituality, in this case being Meier and his Plejarens. Naturally those 'who know' would be the leaders.

If you believe that Meier is a prophet and that his alien contacts have vast wisdom, basicly you're putting your trust in them and accepting their judgement. That's not empowering yourself, that's empowering them.



posted on Aug, 17 2008 @ 01:33 PM
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I agree, TerraX, and that is why I detracted my statement. Along with the other reasons I've noted. These teachings are actually dangerous for any without an already established Spiritual backing. That is one reason why I decided to back away from the group to begin with. I was seeing not only inconsistencies and illogic in the actions of the so called ETH's but also inconsistencies in an otherwise 'repeated' Spiritual teaching.

I cannot call the Spiritual Teachings GOOD for everybody so I should not have made the statement at all.



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 06:53 AM
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Interesting, now that's quite a number of names I have not seen in awhile who are posting here in this thread. Maybe when I get some more time, there will be a few things worthy of comment, but for now it's simply interesting to hear all the differing opinions.

More later,

James Truthseeker



posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 07:19 AM
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its the same background as far as i can see..i cant see your problem..sorry..



posted on Aug, 28 2008 @ 02:18 PM
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posted on Aug, 28 2008 @ 02:18 PM
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posted on Aug, 28 2008 @ 02:50 PM
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If you and everyone else stops glorifying these hoaxers, the world would be a better place.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 11:29 AM
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fake, wake up! his photos are proven to be fake by several specialist. But his photos and films are better than george adamski. How come he never has taken any photos of the crew on the spaceships etc, you gonna eat some mushrooms or be quite an idiot to believe in him



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 02:20 PM
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The fact that he is being threatened might have something to do with the smoke he blew up peoples backsides with his hoaxes,some people evidently took it to heart,some people deal with things differently,unfortuanately for him he is feeling the reprecussions,he is his own worse enemy



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 05:02 AM
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antwoord op [url = www.abovetopsecret.com... # pid4788958] bericht door Dklanan [/ url] [/ i] [meer] Thanx for your reply. Always when the truth is told, or the truth is manifestating itself, the darkside is trying to overshadow it. It has been so from the very beginning of "human kind ' . Be strong, because the Light has won !!!! Maybe you can give Billy and his family, and also you many Light, strenght and wisdom within this matter. And maybe he can sent my regards to the starfamilys

Salaam,

Rashid



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 06:29 AM
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I am picking up a bad vibe off that photo of Billy. Anyone else get that?



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 07:17 AM
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why don't they just regenerate his arm? that would be proof enough. I can't understand why



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 02:03 AM
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Ok... I have a couple of questions that popped up while i was watching the Billy Meier's documentry the other day.

In the video Billy is seen flashing the ray gun like in the B-grade movies posing in various poses like a real life James Bond.

However he is not seen using the ray gun i.e. he does'nt pull the trigger to pulsate the ray gun. Later in the documentary the author says that he shot a ray and managed to drill a hole in a tree.. blah blah.. yaap yap!!
I was wondering so as to why did'nt he demonstrate the powers of the ray gun if he had already taken the privilege to flash it to the mortal beings of the earth!!? Is it just cos he cud not actually make it work... or he did not figure it out on how to fool the people with the fake pulsation of the ray gun.

The faces of the so called alien girls in the pics are kept anonymous except of their names and addresses..

Is it cos he did'nt want to disclose the true identity of the local girls just incase they cud be identified later on in at public places... thus rendering Mr.. Meiers claims to be hoax??

The ray gun seems to have a very futuristic concept, even though the make of the gun seemed to be pretty much pre-historic, I can presume that any toy or may it be gun that was made in those times must definately have been of the same standards as seen in the photographs/video.. instead of the gun being made that shud look real sohphisticated cos of its futuristic nature.. something that looks in the MIB movie (well not excatly the same, but alteast close or even better).

Predictions after the events are statement that mostly that everybody claims after the event happens, however i have never read or seen any major claim of future preditions by Meiers, although he defends that he doesn't want to disclose any event of the future cos some people may use those prophecies for their personal gains. But Sir, dont you think so, if your future predictions are so accurate... you can actually prevent an unforeseen disaster which can claim thousands of life, let some lunatic gain some monetary benefit, wud'nt you become a HERO in real life, and would not have to persuade the world to believe in ur fairytales.
Infact your and ur alien friends objective to save the planet wud also be achieved, if you can restore faith in people about your theories... the world leaders wud listen to you from that incident of you saving the human race by your future prediciton.

Mr Meiers you have very bravely put it into your theories that God does not exist in No religion,
However you have put the word "OM" at ur Farm house embossed on a copper stone.

See image.


Close up.


The word OM is the core of Hindu religion. How come he has made the word OM as a corner stone in his yard if he doesn't believe in God!?

Mr Meiers does not reveal the purpose of his meeting with Jesus Christ... although he does mention that he has met Christ. He ironically puts in in a way saying that he cannot reveal the real motive. Is it cos he just wants to be a witness to all the greatest events and personalities of the world since its inception, but doesn't have any valid reason to validate so as to why he met Jesus with whatever the motive was!?
Come on what wud he say? He did not have anything to say even though he proclaimed to have met Jesus... cos on one hand he is saying that He was not God, neither he was an important person in the Past, and now when he says that he met Jesus.... that means he is getting pawned with his own theories.. (hence... he mutes a mystery clause behind it).

There are a couple of more observations i made, wud want to share it at a later debate.

I am posting this same post at another Billy Meiers thread, hoping for an alternative debate with other members.



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by holyindian
Ok... I have a couple of questions that popped up while i was watching the Billy Meier's documentry the other day.

In the video Billy is seen flashing the ray gun like in the B-grade movies posing in various poses like a real life James Bond.

However he is not seen using the ray gun i.e. he does'nt pull the trigger to pulsate the ray gun. Later in the documentary the author says that he shot a ray and managed to drill a hole in a tree.. blah blah.. yaap yap!!
I was wondering so as to why did'nt he demonstrate the powers of the ray gun if he had already taken the privilege to flash it to the mortal beings of the earth!!? Is it just cos he cud not actually make it work... or he did not figure it out on how to fool the people with the fake pulsation of the ray gun.


Whether this is a real laser gun or a toy is unfalsifiable.


The faces of the so called alien girls in the pics are kept anonymous except of their names and addresses..

Is it cos he did'nt want to disclose the true identity of the local girls just incase they cud be identified later on in at public places... thus rendering Mr.. Meiers claims to be hoax??


I am yet to see any proof that the showgirls on the Dean Martin show are the same girls in the picture. This would be very easy to prove; just get the original footage that Meier alllegedly used.


The ray gun seems to have a very futuristic concept, even though the make of the gun seemed to be pretty much pre-historic, I can presume that any toy or may it be gun that was made in those times must definately have been of the same standards as seen in the photographs/video.. instead of the gun being made that shud look real sohphisticated cos of its futuristic nature.. something that looks in the MIB movie (well not excatly the same, but alteast close or even better).


Allegedly, the gun is prehistroic for the Pleaidians as well. As there is no way to know what a Pleaidian prehistoric gun would look like, this is unfalsifiable.


Predictions after the events are statement that mostly that everybody claims after the event happens, however i have never read or seen any major claim of future preditions by Meiers, although he defends that he doesn't want to disclose any event of the future cos some people may use those prophecies for their personal gains. But Sir, dont you think so, if your future predictions are so accurate... you can actually prevent an unforeseen disaster which can claim thousands of life, let some lunatic gain some monetary benefit, wud'nt you become a HERO in real life, and would not have to persuade the world to believe in ur fairytales.
Infact your and ur alien friends objective to save the planet wud also be achieved, if you can restore faith in people about your theories... the world leaders wud listen to you from that incident of you saving the human race by your future prediciton.


The Pleaidians cannot reveal predictions because of their non-interference policy. It makes no difference to them whether somebody lives or dies, if they are suppose to die, they will. On the other, Meier has revealed a lot prophetic and scientific information in his contactes notes which have been published prior to them being discovered. His important prophecies are the ones given to him by Heonch for WW3, and these have not happend yet, but you can finds a lot of corrobration for the events as prophecised unfolding. You should also see his last contact notes with Ptaah in 1995, they describe in very precise detail history up to and beyond world war 4!


Mr Meiers you have very bravely put it into your theories that God does not exist in No religion,
However you have put the word "OM" at ur Farm house embossed on a copper stone.

The word OM is the core of Hindu religion. How come he has made the word OM as a corner stone in his yard if he doesn't believe in God!?


Meier has not said he does not believe in god, rather he does not believe in the god of many religions. The Pleaidians believe in god as creation/universe and consider this creation to be pure thought and pure being and pure consciousness. It is absolute reality and the soul's purpose is to merge into this pure being by realising this pure being within itself.

If you are familiar with the Hindu religion, particularly Vedanta, this is virtually verbatim what it teaches. It does not teach a personal god, but an impersonal being that is infinite and all of creation. In Sanskrit this is called "Brahman" which refers to the absolute reality, pure consciousness and the infinite, eternal and all-encompassing being. The soul's purpose is realise the pure Atman that is its own being and is same as Brahman: The E=mc2 of spirituality: Atman = Brahman.

OM refers to the universal vibration which is animating all of creation and is at the very source of being. This is exactly what Meier and his Pleaidians friends believe as well, and thus there is no contradictions with Hinduism.


Mr Meiers does not reveal the purpose of his meeting with Jesus Christ... although he does mention that he has met Christ. He ironically puts in in a way saying that he cannot reveal the real motive. Is it cos he just wants to be a witness to all the greatest events and personalities of the world since its inception, but doesn't have any valid reason to validate so as to why he met Jesus with whatever the motive was!?
Come on what wud he say? He did not have anything to say even though he proclaimed to have met Jesus... cos on one hand he is saying that He was not God, neither he was an important person in the Past, and now when he says that he met Jesus.... that means he is getting pawned with his own theories.. (hence... he mutes a mystery clause behind it).


There is no mystery here. He was taken by Asket to meet Jmmanuel, and then later in collaboration with a biblical scholar he founded the scrolls of Jesus and this was translated into the Talmud of Jmmanuel.



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 06:20 AM
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mr mieir has already " conveniently explained " that , to paraphrase ` they offered but he decline `



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child
I am yet to see any proof that the showgirls on the Dean Martin show are the same girls in the picture. This would be very easy to prove; just get the original footage that Meier alllegedly used.


I take it that you have not read the statement from Michelle DellaFave on this page: www.iigwest.org... On this page she says very clearly that Meier's photo of "Asket" is a photo of her when she was on the Dean Martin Variety Show. She even provided her own photo that looks like it was taken from the same episode.

"I know that the picture of myself and Susie is from the Dean Martin show when the Golddiggers were guests on the show. I think it is about 1971 and I did wear my hair with little curls at the side of my face. It amazes me that he chose that picture. I guess it was when they did the reruns in Europe. I do not want anyone thinking I am causing any problems. I am simply stating the truth involved with these pictures. I just know a picture of myself when I see one, as anyone else would. I know it is from a segment when The Golddiggers would sit around Dean Martin and sing beautiful ballads called 'Welcome To My World.'"

Meier photograph of Asket and Nera:


Michelle DellaFave photograph of her and Susie Lund:


-Derek



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 02:13 PM
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im sorry but all i see is fake photos and footage. If the authorities have indeed put fake ones in to discredit him then they have done a superb job because i cant believe something that clearly shows faking.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by reject
reply to post by Dklanan
 
why don't they just regenerate his arm? that would be proof enough. I can't understand why


They offered him to grow him a new limb.


Meier's injuries and cure were verified by other witnesses. Incidentally, Meier has only one arm, having lost one in a bus accident. During one of his contacts, the aliens offered to grow him a new limb. Meier declined, fearing that people would ask too many questions.




Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
im sorry but all i see is fake photos and footage. If the authorities have indeed put fake ones in to discredit him then they have done a superb job because i cant believe something that clearly shows faking.


The authorities have indeed put fake ones in to discredit him and they obvious had a great success with it.

Some excerpts from a letter from a security agent [name known] written to Wendelle C. Stevens Lt. Col., USAF (Ret)

Care of:
GENESIS 3 Publishing Inc
P.O. Drawer JJ, Munds Park.AZ 89017

Dear Mr Stevens


In one specific incident the film tested was believed to be a copy, and not the original negative as Billy thought. Sorry about that. The way we got copies of Billy's pictures was by paying off the man who handled the film processing for Billy. The man simply ordered a second set of pictures for us, and a second copy of the negatives. at an attractive profit, and the man often had copies made for himself. In a couple of cases we took the original copy of the negative, for the type of lab checks that you wanted to make.

We also sent some garbage film through to the same processing company by the same store, under Billy's name, to keep the boys doing the film processing honest. We did establish that there was a little hankey pankey going on at the processing plant, and/or in the mail some place. Someone else was getting off with the first copy of the negatives most of the time. Several times, according to the experts, our copy of the negative would be about the fifth one.

All intelligence communities are well aware that vast volumes of bull # comes and goes in the UFO contactee game, as part of turf(dekke) but pictures make strong evidence, which is almost impossible to fake. Because pictures are the quickest way to find who in fact is telling the truth, they often get stolen. Or, why screw around with the bull #, when the proof is in the film. The Intelligence gathering people are also aware of how to intercept mail, and bribe(bestikke) store owners. When the bribe was set up we did not know how agreeable Billy was going to be about passing out samples.



Originally posted by derekcbart

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
I am yet to see any proof that the showgirls on the Dean Martin show are the same girls in the picture. This would be very easy to prove; just get the original footage that Meier alllegedly used.


I take it that you have not read the statement from Michelle DellaFave on this page: www.iigwest.org... On this page she says very clearly that Meier's photo of "Asket" is a photo of her when she was on the Dean Martin Variety Show. She even provided her own photo that looks like it was taken from the same episode.

"I know that the picture of myself and Susie is from the Dean Martin show when the Golddiggers were guests on the show. I think it is about 1971 and I did wear my hair with little curls at the side of my face. It amazes me that he chose that picture. I guess it was when they did the reruns in Europe. I do not want anyone thinking I am causing any problems. I am simply stating the truth involved with these pictures. I just know a picture of myself when I see one, as anyone else would. I know it is from a segment when The Golddiggers would sit around Dean Martin and sing beautiful ballads called 'Welcome To My World.'"

Meier photograph of Asket and Nera:


Michelle DellaFave photograph of her and Susie Lund:


-Derek


When you really take a good look to both pictures, you clearly see that those showgirls do not match at all.
And regarding that showgirls discussion above, the following was also said in that same letter from the security agent.


In a shared UFO information pool with other Countries, including India, it was noticed that Billy got his contacts when ever a woman, the Indians were watching, was missing. It was speculated that Bills female contact could have been one of two women that the India authorities were watching. One was a tall dark haired woman with a very fair completion who, according to what the Indians could find out had been working an area for about 200 years. The other woman was a short, some what dumpy blond, with kind of a flat face. Every time the dumpy blond left India, Billy had a contact. Because the Indian surveillance was of the soft touch type, and far from complete, nothing was ever established. But, for a period of about 2 to 3 years there was a one to one relationship between the blond leaving India and Billy having a contact.






[edit on 17/4/09 by spacevisitor]



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Nohup
I blame the Pleaidians. If they didn't want Meier to get all kinds of crap from people, all they have to do is give him some incontrovertible proof of their alien existence that can be tested and re-tested to everyone's satisfaction. And it would be simple for them to do, if they existed


Regarding your remark above, I wonder if you find this interesting.

theyfly.com...





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